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    Post  Didymos on Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:36 am

    The Cosmic Baker's Recipes!

    [3:34:58 PM - Wednesday, September 12th, 2012 - (+10UCT)]
    Thubanis: The Cosmic Baker's recipes. This JT convo was good yes
    [3:35:42 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh ya lots of great info coming to the light now
    [3:35:47 PM] Thubanis: Perhaps we should publish it at MOA
    [3:36:18 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: sure
    [3:36:49 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: should dress it up and throw a big show
    [3:37:00 PM] Thubanis: You wanna do that?
    [3:37:07 PM] Thubanis: With pics perhaps?
    [3:37:23 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well i already was yappin bout some of it on my ciabook wall
    [3:37:23 PM] Thubanis: Raven and me can do it
    [3:37:43 PM] Thubanis: Would be good though if you can share it
    [3:37:48 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: go nuts lol i did
    [3:38:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well sure i can post some of it
    [3:38:16 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: perhaps i will start smashing a few things
    [3:38:36 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: stranger things have happened
    [3:39:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i am very excited about star gates

    [9/11/2012 3:55:52 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: hmmmmm
    [9/11/2012 3:57:07 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so how come you going bonkers lol
    [9/11/2012 3:57:38 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: do our thoughts mirror back into our reality?
    [9/11/2012 3:58:58 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: like star cruisers and eternal life!
    [9/11/2012 3:59:16 PM] Thubanis: Who is going bonkers?
    [9/11/2012 3:59:46 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i was outside chillin...and just as i was walking towards the door i saw another zippy little light orpb blink in and out go flying by
    [9/11/2012 4:00:00 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: whos not going crazy might be a better question
    [9/11/2012 4:00:03 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: :)
    [9/11/2012 4:00:06 PM] Thubanis: Micjer

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    Post n°14 Re: Israel's War Plans to Attack Iran "Before the US Elections"
    Micjer Yesterday at 9:52 pm
    Canada being steadily Zionized


    If anyone wants to see what a US administration under Mormon-Zionist Mitt Romney would look like, one only has to look at the steady Zionization of Canada under the government of Tory Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

    Canada, a one-time independent-minded NATO member whose diplomatic offices were once valued by Third World governments as a trusted liaison to Washington, is now considered by many nations as more right-wing and anti-Muslim and anti-Arab than the United States. Canada’s recent decision to expel the Iranian embassy staff in Ottawa and call home Canadian diplomats in Tehran at the behest of Israel supporters in the Canadian Conservative Party and their allies in the right-wing government of Israel is a testament to Canada’s far-right foreign policy.

    [9/11/2012 4:00:33 PM] Thubanis: Look at this just posted 'ZIONISATION'; but they don't see the archetypes in the cosmic sense
    [9/11/2012 4:00:46 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: Who is Micjer?!
    [9/11/2012 4:00:58 PM] Thubanis: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t5220-israel-s-war-plans-to-attack-iran-before-the-us-elections#81319
    [9/11/2012 4:01:03 PM] Thubanis: Some Moabyte
    [9/11/2012 4:01:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: he is from the original Project Avalon 1 forum
    [9/11/2012 4:01:35 PM] Thubanis: There is a much much deeper ZION happening now
    [9/11/2012 4:01:45 PM] Thubanis: Not political NABS
    [9/11/2012 4:01:50 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: he says he lives in my area...like very close to me
    [9/11/2012 4:01:58 PM] Thubanis: Yes, I thought that too
    [9/11/2012 4:02:19 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: he used to make many posts and we had a few private msgs
    [9/11/2012 4:02:25 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i cant recal the details of them now
    [9/11/2012 4:02:35 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: prob harper nwo kinda stuff
    [9/11/2012 4:03:43 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: anyway...so what is it that you are saying they are missing...the shifting that is taking in the higher dimension ... the archetypes
    [9/11/2012 4:04:21 PM] Thubanis: Yes the energy behind the symbols becomes like this 3D stuff, but the actual cause of this is cosmic
    [9/11/2012 4:05:44 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh
    [9/11/2012 4:06:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: behind what symbols?
    [9/11/2012 4:06:49 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i really dont like harper and have called for his arrest several times again about 1 hour ago
    [9/11/2012 4:07:12 PM] Thubanis: The symbols are the code like cosmic genetic programming JT
    [9/11/2012 4:07:39 PM] Thubanis: Its what created the genetic code of the biochemistry you can see as lifeforms
    [9/11/2012 4:08:35 PM] Thubanis: Just ask yourself just how chemical elements can combine in a nucleotidal base alphabet and form proteins from amino acids to make all those bodyforms
    [9/11/2012 4:08:43 PM] Thubanis: Its a Matrix program
    [9/11/2012 4:09:10 PM] Thubanis: Its intelligent
    [9/11/2012 4:09:47 PM] Thubanis: It is from those codes, that ET morphs and starships would be built
    [9/11/2012 4:11:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh those symbols ;) amazing!
    [9/11/2012 4:11:32 PM] Thubanis: Its an actual cosmic computer program JT
    [9/11/2012 4:11:33 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well it sounds like we need to do some code cracking on healing and health
    [9/11/2012 4:12:05 PM] Thubanis: The universe itself BEING the computer hardware and the collective cosmic intelligence and consciousness responsible for the software
    [9/11/2012 4:12:19 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh nice!
    [9/11/2012 4:12:29 PM] Thubanis: Many realise this JT
    [9/11/2012 4:12:43 PM] Thubanis: How all things are connected and interwoven
    [9/11/2012 4:12:58 PM] Thubanis: Holographic Matrix in science semantics
    [9/11/2012 4:13:27 PM] Thubanis: But this 'intelligence' forms a bridge between all worlds and all dimensions
    [9/11/2012 4:14:30 PM] Thubanis: Any future 'New World' would have to BE aware of this energy as a resonance energy vibration (say) to manipulate the multiD
    [9/11/2012 4:14:55 PM] Thubanis: This is what the NABS calls 'higher vibrational consciousness'
    [9/11/2012 4:18:25 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so how can this knowledge and understaning of it be used to stop the wars and the noise about it?
    [9/11/2012 4:18:54 PM] Thubanis: I can see only one way to end the violence JT
    [9/11/2012 4:19:18 PM] Thubanis: In practical terms the Old World is 'run' by two things
    [9/11/2012 4:20:14 PM] Thubanis: The Religion of the technocrats, the developers, the economics, money speculators or currency 'sharks', and the investors, all requiring a Universal Code and philosophy and this is 'Modern Science';
    [9/11/2012 4:20:56 PM] Thubanis: The other thing is the Religion of the 'lesser educated' and this is what the 'religions' then become, including alternatives, like 'New Age philosophy'
    [9/11/2012 4:21:35 PM] Thubanis: So the Science of the 'rich' is Science and the Science of the 'poor' is Religion
    [9/11/2012 4:21:56 PM] Thubanis: To MAKE PEACE between ALL religions has become IMPOSSIBLE now
    [9/11/2012 4:22:37 PM] Thubanis: EXCEPT a 'higher cosmic' agenda infiltrates, even 'wars' against the old split or the science-religion dichotomies
    [9/11/2012 4:22:52 PM] Thubanis: So what CAN 'save' humanity?
    [9/11/2012 4:22:57 PM] Thubanis: CONTACT only
    [9/11/2012 4:23:34 PM] Thubanis: The contactees however are NOT aliens from outer space, but a human remnant which has evolved past the old genotype
    [9/11/2012 4:24:50 PM] Thubanis: So in practical terms, this means that 'alien ETs', somehow interwoven with our so called 'dead ones' or 'passed over ones' must come and hybridise with this remant, which we here call Dragons
    [9/11/2012 4:25:29 PM] Thubanis: It actually is a true hybridisation between bodyforms in a new morphogenetic structure
    [9/11/2012 4:26:01 PM] Thubanis: Not cyborgs like in scifi between humans and machines; but between humans and starhumans aka ET forms
    [9/11/2012 4:26:21 PM] Thubanis: Caterpillar into Butterfly in a Cosmometamorphosis
    [9/11/2012 4:26:50 PM] Thubanis: This is the 'Dream' of the Old Humanity
    [9/11/2012 4:27:14 PM] Thubanis: And it will be POSSIBLE, but not perhaps imminent from Xmas 2012
    [9/11/2012 4:27:39 PM] Thubanis: IMO it will take until 2034 to 'wean' the old human into a new human
    [9/11/2012 4:27:53 PM] Thubanis: But it SHOULD start Xmas 2012
    [9/11/2012 4:28:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well
    [9/11/2012 4:28:52 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: contact from those of us who have done the hybirdization eh
    [9/11/2012 4:29:59 PM] Thubanis: Yes, and I would say we are qualified. But the timing is arbitrary and in the auspices of the 'Cosmic Merlins' lol.
    Only the nexus date of the beginnings is fixed.
    [9/11/2012 4:31:09 PM] Thubanis: To KNOW this story MIGHT be the prerequisite to 'make contact' and to hybridise with the ETs, which are themselves like our ancestors see this?
    [9/11/2012 4:31:50 PM] Thubanis: In terms of mind we are their 'children' or descendants BUT in terms of bodyform we are their parents and ancestors
    [9/11/2012 4:32:36 PM] Thubanis: From this understanding now, you can 'make sense' of all the NABS about genetic engeneerings, ET experiments, reptilians, greys and what have you
    [9/11/2012 4:33:01 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!:
    [Tuesday, September 11, 2012 4 PM] Thubanis:
    <<< To KNOW this story MIGHT be the prerequisite to 'make contact' and to hybridise with the ETs, which are themselves like our ancestors see this?

    ummmm sort of lol

    [9/11/2012 4:33:18 PM] Thubanis: The ET wants Gaia's bodyshapes and forms and those lifeforms wish to share in the cosmic ET intelligence
    [9/11/2012 4:33:53 PM] Thubanis: Well it becomes a function of how electric parts of life interact with magnetic parts
    [9/11/2012 4:34:44 PM] Thubanis: Animal instinct is magnetic primary as inductance and ET sentience is electric capacitative without a proper bodyform
    [9/11/2012 4:35:00 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: Hybridisation or hybridization may refer to:

    The process of combining different varieties of organisms to create a hybrid (biology)
    Nucleic acid hybridisation, the process of joining two complementary strands of DNA
    Orbital hybridisation, the mixing of atomic orbitals to form new orbitals suitable for bonding
    The process of one variety (linguistics) blending with another variety
    The alteration of a vehicle into a hybrid electric vehicle
    In evolutionary algorithms, the merging two or more optimization techniques into a single algorithm
    Memetic algorithm, a common template for hybridisation
    In Globalization theory, the ongoing blending of cultures
    Hybridization in Business Information Systems, the creation of a third medium
    Hybridization in political election campaign communication, the combining of campaign techniques developed in different countries
    The controversial hypothesis of Neanderthal and human hybridization

    [9/11/2012 4:35:06 PM] Thubanis: So ETs want bodies and animals want higher mind
    [9/11/2012 4:35:23 PM] Thubanis: It is as simpe as that. And to get it it must blend and merge
    [9/11/2012 4:35:39 PM] Thubanis: Therefore the human embryo NABS and abduction experiences
    [9/11/2012 4:36:00 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so what is being hybridized...the body forms? our physical body with the et intellignce?
    [9/11/2012 4:36:23 PM] Thubanis: Yes, both in say a cross coupling multiD sex
    [9/11/2012 4:37:38 PM] Thubanis: As you see in the wiki reference, this is what scientists (anthropologists) consider in homo sapiens to homo sapiens sapiens Neanderthal and Cro Magnon colloquially
    [9/11/2012 4:38:19 PM] Thubanis: Its on the cellular level of the microbiology in the DNA but also macrocosmically
    [9/11/2012 4:38:42 PM] Thubanis: Worlds of ETs intersecting with the Human Egg or Cocoon of the Quarantine
    [9/11/2012 4:38:51 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh ya!
    [9/11/2012 4:39:16 PM] Thubanis: The Story 'fits all' see; but the timing depends on some other things
    [9/11/2012 4:39:47 PM] Thubanis: We can only hope, that the required decoding of the symbols is adequate in the cosmic necessities
    [9/11/2012 4:40:15 PM] Thubanis: If it is 'acceptable' then contact will be in 2013/14 the latest
    [9/11/2012 4:40:46 PM] Thubanis: First Contact for the few in hybridisation but as a 'presence' for the global human
    [9/11/2012 4:41:06 PM] Thubanis: More details I dont know as yet
    [9/11/2012 4:41:32 PM] Thubanis: Also just HOW this hybridisation of the 'few' will occur is still veiled
    [9/11/2012 4:41:35 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well that is quite a lot of information you have just shared here now
    [9/11/2012 4:41:49 PM] Thubanis: It is the 'Story' JT
    [9/11/2012 4:42:17 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yup and we are living it...so it would seem...AND SO IT BEGINS...
    [9/11/2012 4:42:22 PM] Thubanis: Not my story, no matter what people might say; but the Logos story of whom all incarnates and discarnates are matrix members
    [9/11/2012 4:42:44 PM] Thubanis: But there will be a war, a mental Armageddon = Dragon Made say
    [9/11/2012 4:42:59 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh i would love to smash a few minds!
    [9/11/2012 4:43:18 PM] Thubanis: The way I see the future and the 'fulfilment' of prophecies
    [9/11/2012 4:43:52 PM] Thubanis: The 'Holy Books' MUST BE museumized, meaning their potency must become dissolved by a NEW STORY eating the OLD STORY
    [9/11/2012 4:45:18 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i like new stories
    [9/11/2012 4:46:15 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so do you think we can stop the physical wars and the zionization of the harper regiem?
    [9/11/2012 4:46:27 PM] Thubanis: You are being The New Story JT, in BEING Mark Twain and Merlin and the Begger of Calcutta
    [9/11/2012 4:46:48 PM Thubanis: It is the cosmic RPG!
    [9/11/2012 4:46:54 PM] James:
    James and Paulina will NEVER be together again,due to her selfish attitude, she a taker a user and a Freaking Lier,
    looking for a bloody sugar daddy, ,
    [9/11/2012 4:47:25 PM] Thubanis: The cores have all fallen apart James.
    [9/11/2012 4:47:37 PM] Thubanis: Yours is not the only one.
    [9/11/2012 4:47:41 PM] James: its has been 3/5/12 the last time i have writen
    [9/11/2012 4:48:23 PM] Thubanis: But JT the point is NOT to restrict yourself to just one or a few parts in the cosmic RPG
    [9/11/2012 4:48:44 PM] Thubanis: You are both the 'king' and the 'pauper', the hero and the villain at the same time
    [9/11/2012 4:48:51 PM] Thubanis: Not many can play such roles
    [9/11/2012 4:48:52 PM] James: the only reason i am posting this is because what i read above about ROK/Xeia
    [9/11/2012 4:49:03 PM] Thubanis: Yes what I just said
    [9/11/2012 4:49:33 PM] Thubanis: There are NO cores in 3D now, BUT the templates are in higherD and there they exist NOW
    [9/11/2012 4:50:29 PM] Thubanis: Will we find our true cores in the foreseeable future?
    [9/11/2012 4:50:39 PM] James: this even i saw a crystal royal blue eye,in my meditation
    [9/11/2012 4:50:56 PM] James: gee im wonder what that was about
    [9/11/2012 4:51:02 PM] Thubanis: I dont know James; why I have resigned myself to 'work for the cosmos' and not individual 'fulfilments' now.
    [9/11/2012 4:51:35 PM] James: as you wish,so be it
    [9/11/2012 4:51:52 PM] Thubanis: Our true cores exist, as said; but when and how to recognise them I know as much as you do
    [9/11/2012 4:52:10 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: what if the cosmic work was individual fulfilments :)
    [9/11/2012 4:52:30 PM] Thubanis: Good point and I think it is, as the starhuman future JT
    [9/11/2012 4:52:36 PM] James: well i just accepted the fact,that i will not be getting any hot pussy soon
    [9/11/2012 4:52:46 PM] Thubanis: Join the club James
    [9/11/2012 4:52:51 PM] James: my love life is doa
    [9/11/2012 4:53:13 PM] Thubanis: What love life lol?
    [9/11/2012 4:53:20 PM] James: good one lol
    [9/11/2012 4:53:54 PM] James: perhaps as we move into the higher realms we may get lucky,,,
    [9/11/2012 4:54:13 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well its getting close to the date of sept 27 and you mention that htings should start to manifest...as of last two days i have noticed much motion and very positive connections in life
    [9/11/2012 4:54:14 PM] Thubanis: The higher realms are right where you are now James
    [9/11/2012 4:54:29 PM] James: hmmm
    [9/11/2012 4:54:37 PM] Thubanis: What did I say about September 27th?
    [9/11/2012 4:55:04 PM] Thubanis: The 64 days are August 9th to September 9th to September 10th to October 11th
    [9/11/2012 4:55:10 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: um that it was a date when manifestations should start to occur
    [9/11/2012 4:55:13 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: lol
    [9/11/2012 4:55:33 PM] James: thinking of moving to either mount shasta or lakebay,wa state buy some land and XXXX some horny trees,lol
    [9/11/2012 4:55:39 PM] Thubanis: I dont think I made a point on this
    [9/11/2012 4:56:01 PM] Thubanis: Manifestation of the 5D spacetime matrix must wait for the birth
    [9/11/2012 4:56:16 PM] Thubanis: I like your energy James
    [9/11/2012 4:56:24 PM] Thubanis: Dragon zest
    [9/11/2012 4:56:30 PM] James: (bow)
    [9/11/2012 4:56:30 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!:
    "The 'cosmic judgements' have been made and will begin to manifest from September 27th"
    [9/11/2012 4:56:51 PM] James: interesting
    [9/11/2012 4:57:02 PM] Thubanis: Hmm yes on the constitution link?
    [9/11/2012 4:57:12 PM] Thubanis: I need context to comment
    [9/11/2012 4:57:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: it was from this skype chat...
    [9/11/2012 4:57:36 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: k i saved it cuz i thought it was interesting and was trying to understand it

    [9/11/2012 4:57:48 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!:
    "This civilization can only self destruct from now on. Contact from the 'elders and ancient returnees' is the only way out"
    "The 'cosmic judgements' have been made and will begin to manifest from September 27th"
    "If this 'contact' does not happen in 2013, I can only see disaster"
    "We are in a Cocoon, a Cosmic egg
    Trying to break the shell from the inside
    The 'dead ones' are outside this shell and have NO WAY to break this shell from the outside Try to understand this. It is a two-way communique"
    The cosmic spacetime matrix requires an upgrade BEFORE the ET energy can physicalise
    It is here, but electromagnetic atm
    "Isaac is more powerful than Katrina METAPHYSICALLY
    Katrina was more powerful PHYSICALLY
    This is what people cant understand
    So physical destruction can be minimized NOT the mental armageddons
    2012 is ON, even if no external disasters occur
    You should FEEL a new 'atmosphere' though from December 22nd
    I do NOT rule out a magnetic poleshift but even then it might be an oscillation"

    The core of the earth will oscillate to open a wormhole gate to the 5th spacetime dimension
    If this results in a MAGNETIC poleshift remains to be seen
    There will be NO physical pole shift
    This would break the earth in pieces

    Atm, the core of the earth is locked up like an egg in a 4D spacetime cocoon
    This egg is the size of a golfball
    So work the physics from there
    There is a 3D physical iron-oxygen core so 2000 km across
    This core will not flip or change but receive a new energy source at its geometric and gravitational center
    This new energy source is the purpose of humanities existence

    [9/11/2012 4:58:00 PM] Thubanis: There are so any interwoven timelines, I will have to check. But if I said this, then yes I can comment
    [9/11/2012 4:58:46 PM] Thubanis: Let me look at the newearth chart
    [9/11/2012 4:59:32 PM] James: interesting
    [9/11/2012 5:01:28 PM] Thubanis: October 11th is a 'cutoff date' so September 27th is 14 days before
    [9/11/2012 5:01:39 PM] Thubanis: Could be a moon day
    [9/11/2012 5:01:46 PM] Thubanis: Should be
    [9/11/2012 5:02:02 PM] Thubanis: New Moon
    [9/11/2012 5:02:04 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: what dose that mean ? cut off date>
    [9/11/2012 5:02:20 PM] Thubanis: Its the codes in the scrolls
    [9/11/2012 5:02:42 PM] Thubanis: There are many of them, because the individual codes can become distributed
    [9/11/2012 5:03:06 PM] Thubanis: Like 3 weeks or 21 days = 10+1+10 but also 7+7+7 say
    [9/11/2012 5:03:15 PM] James: hmmm
    [9/11/2012 5:03:48 PM] Thubanis: Then the crucial time began April 1st as the end of a 7.3-8 year warptime, related to the Venus Transit 2004-2012 and where the codes became redefined but NOT physicalised
    [9/11/2012 5:04:23 PM] Thubanis: From April 1st this now CAN be physicalised in 'precise measurements' of counting days and nights
    [9/11/2012 5:04:53 PM] Thubanis: I recall now, that The August to October period is defined in the lunations as one such subcycle
    [9/11/2012 5:05:22 PM] James: Europe’s weather could be affected long-term -
    Ramtha: warming happening faster than we are told http://www.rse-newsletter.com/2012/09/europes-weather-could-be-affected-long-term/

    [9/11/2012 5:05:23 PM] Thubanis: Blue Moons were August 2nd and 31st as Full Moons with August 17th the New Moon
    [9/11/2012 5:06:35 PM] Thubanis: So the next New Moon in September is about September 14 and then the next Full Moon is September 27th UCT but I need to check this
    [9/11/2012 5:07:07 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: ever feel like your out of your mind
    [9/11/2012 5:07:10 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: lol
    [9/11/2012 5:07:23 PM] James: perhaps
    [9/11/2012 5:07:34 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: haha the sensation of all this is alien
    [9/11/2012 5:08:34 PM] Thubanis: There could be an error: September 30th is the full moon 2012 and September 27th was full moon 2011
    [9/11/2012 5:08:59 PM] Thubanis: New Moon September 2012 is September 16th
    [9/11/2012 5:09:49 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well either way i can feel that its about to be full speed ahead for this shifting and reconfig
    [9/11/2012 5:10:38 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: so not sure how to be prepared...i just trust that the universe will proved me what i need just when i need it...both things and understanding
    [9/11/2012 5:11:26 PM] James: this month will be a still mode,then the next 3 months will be,all bet are off,meaning its going to be a real fast rise up till dec 21-22rd
    [9/11/2012 5:12:10 PM] Thubanis: Good the published calendars are correct, like here:
    [9/11/2012 5:12:16 PM] Thubanis: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t5111p45-the-constitution-and-almanac-of-the-new-cosmos-in-dragon-logos-law-and-jurisprudence
    [9/11/2012 5:13:15 PM] Thubanis: Well because this last week is divided in 3½+3½=7 taking the 3½ days from the New Moon is September 27th
    [9/11/2012 5:13:34 PM] Thubanis: But I doubt, I would have made such a statement on this
    [9/11/2012 5:14:24 PM] Thubanis: The birthday of the starhuman or dragon consciousness is December 21st JT and no other date
    [9/11/2012 5:14:48 PM] Thubanis: December 21-December 23rd as a 'spread' of the Mayan calibration
    [9/11/2012 5:14:59 PM] Thubanis: Xmas 2012 iow
    [9/11/2012 5:15:15 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: ok
    [9/11/2012 5:15:30 PM] Thubanis: And then it will continue to May 1st 2014
    [9/11/2012 5:16:07 PM] Thubanis: In the codes of the scrolls, the bible and all native prophecies which have numberlines as parts of the encoding
    [9/11/2012 5:16:51 PM] Thubanis: The 2014 date is required to MIRROR the events from April 1st 2012 as the end of the warptime
    [9/11/2012 5:17:11 PM] Thubanis: So April 1st was VERY big cosmically
    [9/11/2012 5:17:41 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes it felt very powerful from the cosmos
    [9/11/2012 5:17:52 PM] Thubanis: As is December 21st. This does not mean that there will be starcruisers in the skies or earthquakes, tsunamis and volcanoes all letting loose
    [9/11/2012 5:18:00 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i recall all the info that was shared at that time it was very intense
    [9/11/2012 5:18:11 PM] Thubanis: It means that stargates have opened all over the universe
    [9/11/2012 5:18:31 PM] Thubanis: They are still shut atm
    [9/11/2012 5:19:09 PM] Thubanis: Only little windows open up for short periods in the true ufo encounters and the true crop circles etc etc
    [9/11/2012 5:19:50 PM] Thubanis: But when you have lucid dreams or OBEs or NDEs, then you are also accessing those stargates
    [9/11/2012 5:19:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh i see...interesting
    [9/11/2012 5:20:16 PM] Thubanis: Yes the 'extra space' see allows the 'weirdness' in the dreams
    [9/11/2012 5:20:47 PM] Thubanis: So you can change forms and locations seemingly at will or instantaneously
    [9/11/2012 5:20:52 PM] James: true,,,
    [9/11/2012 5:21:09 PM] James: This message has been removed.
    [9/11/2012 5:21:32 PM] Thubanis: So now you might become aware that the 'New World' is like a dreamworld when you are awake and not asleep
    [9/11/2012 5:21:59 PM] Thubanis: This is the 'new energy matrix' in a nutshell
    [9/11/2012 5:22:12 PM] Thubanis: It is SUPERPOSED to 3D reality now
    [9/11/2012 5:22:13 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i try to be in a dream world all the time but constaly have people telling me to get a job
    [9/11/2012 5:22:46 PM] Thubanis: No 3D stuff will 'disappear',but all 3D will have new extension potentials
    [9/11/2012 5:23:19 PM] Thubanis: As said JT, noone can ESCAPE 3D
    [9/11/2012 5:23:29 PM] Thubanis: 3D is here to stay for eternity
    [9/11/2012 5:23:32 PM] James: meaning it will blend into the 4th 5th and 6th and higher correct
    [9/11/2012 5:23:38 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh well then i might as well cut my hair to
    [9/11/2012 5:23:38 PM] Thubanis: Yes
    [9/11/2012 5:23:45 PM] James: thought so
    [9/11/2012 5:23:55 PM] Thubanis: Integration is the mandala not escape
    [9/11/2012 5:24:14 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: I am very much looking forward to the immediate future!
    [9/11/2012 5:24:36 PM] Thubanis: Why Raven's study etc are all worthwhile, but the 'waiting for the messiahs from the sky' is humbug
    [9/11/2012 5:25:23 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes we are going to be building a ewaste business and get into gold and platunum refining
    [9/11/2012 5:25:35 PM] James: we are all messiahs
    [9/11/2012 5:26:10 PM] Thubanis: It will remain a collective effort of the planetary consciousness including all humans and animals plants and crystals BUT will nevertheless require a separation of the genus
    [9/11/2012 5:26:29 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: the writting on the bin says 999 some kind of magic that Willaim wanted to use
    [9/11/2012 5:26:37 PM] Thubanis: Bifurcation: Human versus Starhuman
    [9/11/2012 5:26:45 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: its going to be a showdown
    [9/11/2012 5:26:55 PM] Thubanis: High Noon in a way yes
    [9/11/2012 5:26:57 PM] James: big time,,,
    [9/11/2012 5:27:09 PM] Thubanis: Punctuated Evolutionary Equilibrium
    [9/11/2012 5:27:26 PM] Thubanis: PEE
    [9/11/2012 5:27:29 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i hope we can avoid wars and get green lights for et contact
    [9/11/2012 5:27:41 PM] James: oh we will
    [9/11/2012 5:27:49 PM] Thubanis: It might be very subtle and selective
    [9/11/2012 5:28:19 PM] Thubanis: The science is a resonance science
    [9/11/2012 5:28:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well i think a few have heard the message
    [9/11/2012 5:28:35 PM] James: yes we have,,,
    [9/11/2012 5:28:41 PM] Thubanis: You can 'eat' the energy (frequencies lol) or not
    [9/11/2012 5:28:49 PM] James: really
    [9/11/2012 5:29:12 PM] Thubanis: Only in absorbing the energy can you get out of dissonance
    [9/11/2012 5:29:19 PM] James: hmmm
    [9/11/2012 5:29:24 PM] Thubanis: It's physical law not Thuban law
    [9/11/2012 5:29:30 PM] James: hmmm
    [9/11/2012 5:29:37 PM] Thubanis: I don't know myself, if I can resonate see?
    [9/11/2012 5:29:46 PM] James: correct
    [9/11/2012 5:29:58 PM] Thubanis: But the 'frequency' has been defined and transduced
    [9/11/2012 5:30:12 PM] Thubanis: If this is sufficient for resonance remains to be seen
    [9/11/2012 5:30:33 PM] Thubanis: The transduction is Orange Light
    [9/11/2012 5:30:40 PM] Thubanis: FYI
    [9/11/2012 5:30:50 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i saw an orange orb once
    [9/11/2012 5:30:59 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i have told you that b4
    [9/11/2012 5:31:19 PM] Thubanis: Well the transformation of the 'sourcesink frequency' is 500 Terahertz
    [9/11/2012 5:31:21 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i sometimes see blue ones
    [9/11/2012 5:31:34 PM] Thubanis: 6000 angstroems wavelength
    [9/11/2012 5:31:36 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: bluish white
    [9/11/2012 5:31:46 PM] Thubanis: Yes you did
    [9/11/2012 5:31:48 PM] James: interesting
    [9/11/2012 5:32:40 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i can hardly wait to travel in a star cruiser
    [9/11/2012 5:32:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: it would be like the ultimate camper trailer
    [9/11/2012 5:32:58 PM] Thubanis: The magnification factor is 6000 Trillion
    [9/11/2012 5:33:18 PM] Thubanis: Multiply the Orange Light frequency by that to get the source frequency
    [9/11/2012 5:33:23 PM] James: 14 DAYS OF GLOBAL CATACLYSM AUGUST 2012 https://youtu.be/rDcInLbAoiA
    [9/11/2012 5:33:32 PM] Thubanis: Which is the Wormhole resonance of the stargates
    [9/11/2012 5:34:26 PM] Thubanis: The New Agers call this the 'Love and Light' Vibration, without knowing what they are talking about
    [9/11/2012 5:34:40 PM] Thubanis: You can call it the 'Lovephoton'
    [9/11/2012 5:34:48 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: and i will
    [9/11/2012 5:34:52 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: :)
    [9/11/2012 5:35:19 PM] Thubanis: You are doing good work in 'sharing' this data with the 'alternatives'
    [9/11/2012 5:35:37 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: load up the cannons with the love photons! :jt: (inlove) band (party)
    [9/11/2012 5:35:44 PM] Thubanis: Lol
    [9/11/2012 5:35:59 PM] Thubanis: Actually you are right on the mark
    [9/11/2012 5:36:32 PM] Thubanis: You recall the stories of the ufos switching of the nuclear weapons electromagnetically?
    [9/11/2012 5:36:40 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes
    [9/11/2012 5:36:44 PM] Thubanis: Guess what frequency they use?
    [9/11/2012 5:36:49 PM] James: et took out all nukes
    [9/11/2012 5:37:03 PM] Thubanis: Yes and now you know a secret lol
    [9/11/2012 5:37:12 PM] Thubanis: The CIA might wish to know
    [9/11/2012 5:37:24 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: 500 Teraherz x 6000 Trillion?
    [9/11/2012 5:37:32 PM] Thubanis: But they cant use it anyway, as this frequency cant be mechanically generated
    [9/11/2012 5:37:39 PM] Thubanis: Yes
    [9/11/2012 5:38:54 PM] Thubanis: It can only be generated by the fabric of the multiD spacetime matrix AS the wormhole from which the entire universe was born
    [9/11/2012 5:39:08 PM] Thubanis: So this shows you another secret
    [9/11/2012 5:39:43 PM] Thubanis: Namely, that every dragon-starhuman hybrid will have to have a wormhole at the centre of hisher own bodyform or merkabah
    [9/11/2012 5:40:02 PM] Thubanis: This MUST be your own free energy generator
    [9/11/2012 5:40:08 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh wow
    [9/11/2012 5:40:41 PM] Thubanis: You will literally have a 'new battery' inside of you to communicate with any other such battery in the cosmos with IN RESONANCE
    [9/11/2012 5:41:36 PM] Thubanis: This then indicates the real hyperphysics to you and just HOW the ufos manouver mechanically as they do, say zigzag flight not possible with chemical fuel engines and so on
    [9/11/2012 5:42:20 PM] Thubanis: No NABS antigravity devices required, just wormhole 'tuning'
    [9/11/2012 5:42:57 PM] Thubanis: This is called as Tertiary Energy source
    [9/11/2012 5:43:13 PM] Thubanis: And this is prerequisite to be a starhuman
    [9/11/2012 5:43:25 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i did not know that
    [9/11/2012 5:43:54 PM] Thubanis: Like elctromagnetically you have a primary and secondary transformer coil to 'tap' the electricity grid
    [9/11/2012 5:44:21 PM] Thubanis: Its cosmophysical law, like gravity
    [9/11/2012 5:44:28 PM] Thubanis: It is not Thuban exclusive
    [9/11/2012 5:44:52 PM] Thubanis: But this is the key to the ZPE
    [9/11/2012 5:45:40 PM] Thubanis: You are to BUILD your own merkabah with a wormhole at the centre AS your New Bodyform
    [9/11/2012 5:45:49 PM] Thubanis: Noone can GIVE this to anyone
    [9/11/2012 5:46:08 PM] Thubanis: Everyone either CAN resonate with the present spacetime matrix or not
    [9/11/2012 5:46:36 PM] Thubanis: This is why I say so often, that very very few will be able to resonate and 'ascend' into the hybrid state
    [9/11/2012 5:46:47 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes i can see that
    [9/11/2012 5:47:02 PM] Thubanis: I don't know WHO will be able to resonate, but I can have my guesses
    [9/11/2012 5:47:20 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: very well said too tho...some deep understandins and some high overstandings too
    [9/11/2012 5:47:50 PM] Thubanis: What we call Logos here IS the Resonance JT. This is another secret revealed
    [9/11/2012 5:48:26 PM] Thubanis: Because the Logos IS the wavefunction encompassing all space and time AS the hyperphysical cosmic supermatrix
    [9/11/2012 5:48:31 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: well im in it to win it so i sure am trying to hold a strong vision in my minds eye about everything that has been discused here
    [9/11/2012 5:48:53 PM] Thubanis: So the Logos deniers simply 'cannot resonate' and will remain stuck in the old matrix
    [9/11/2012 5:49:00 PM] Thubanis: Like the roots of a tree
    [9/11/2012 5:49:04 PM] Thubanis: Underground
    [9/11/2012 5:49:18 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: on the hamster wheel of doom
    [9/11/2012 5:49:33 PM] Thubanis: Yes, UNTIL they CAN learn to resonate
    [9/11/2012 5:49:44 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: oh wow
    [9/11/2012 5:49:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: they are turning into zionists
    [9/11/2012 5:50:14 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: and its getting crazy
    [9/11/2012 5:50:33 PM] Thubanis: I don't know JT. There is no judgement, just observation what resonates and what does not
    [9/11/2012 5:50:56 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes thats true...i spend a lot of time observing the dizzy humans
    [9/11/2012 5:51:20 PM] Thubanis: Even here on the forums on facebook and the ordinary 3D life
    [9/11/2012 5:52:07 PM] Thubanis: I must go now JT; good to see you well without a hangover
    [9/11/2012 5:52:30 PM] Thubanis: Share any of the 'secrets' if you wish, lol
    [9/11/2012 5:52:44 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: yes i should log off for a bit too...oh well its time to get on top of the game so i must stay sharp
    [9/11/2012 5:52:55 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: nice to talk to you tony thanks for sharing
    [9/11/2012 5:53:16 PM] Thubanis: It is a New Book a New Movie and New Script a New World JT
    [9/11/2012 5:53:43 PM] Thubanis: First in symbol; then in the 'Feel of it' and finally in a reformation of 3D as 4D
    [9/11/2012 5:54:26 PM] Thubanis: This will take time to manifest, just like a baby grows into a child and an adult
    [9/11/2012 5:54:42 PM] Thubanis: Its a planetary human becoming a cosmic human JT
    [9/11/2012 5:55:03 PM] Thubanis: My take is 2004-2012 to 2014 to 2034
    [9/11/2012 5:55:30 PM] Thubanis: 21-22 years for adulthood from the end of the warptime
    [9/11/2012 5:55:58 PM] Thubanis: We should be around, if we qualify in Logos resonance
    [9/11/2012 5:56:34 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: i suspect we got front row seats
    [9/11/2012 5:56:56 PM] Thubanis: Lets hope your suspicion is on the mark as an occuli tauri
    [9/11/2012 5:57:12 PM] Thubanis: 'Bulls eye' iow
    [9/11/2012 5:57:19 PM] Thubanis: Like darts
    [9/11/2012 5:57:27 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: laser guided love photons!
    [9/11/2012 5:57:33 PM] James: wow very interesting read
    [9/11/2012 5:57:49 PM] Thubanis: Logos guided interdimensional ballistic missiles
    [9/11/2012 5:58:07 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: if you wernt cracked up before you might be now
    [9/11/2012 5:58:24 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: cheers :dawave: (clap)
    [9/11/2012 5:58:35 PM] James: cat (heidy)
    [9/11/2012 5:58:46 PM] Thubanis: Ciao Dragon beaus and bees
    [12:23:10 PM-Thursday, September 13th, 2012 (+10UCT]
    THE13THBRIDGE: how many other times; do you think jesus came to earth
    [12:23:15 PM] Thubanis: Once
    [12:23:25 PM] Michael: nah he was elias
    [12:23:30 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: only once ?
    [12:23:31 PM] Thubanis: As a person
    [12:23:38 PM] Thubanis: The office is ubiquitous
    [12:23:45 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: no doubt; the catholic church stole his identity
    [12:23:53 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: made up a lot of lies
    [12:24:07 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: jesus wasn't god
    [12:24:09 PM] Michael: john the baptist was elijah
    [12:24:15 PM] Thubanis: Many many Logos witnesses, as it is an office: Kukulkan had this office too, but no 'person' ever embodied it like JC
    [12:24:25 PM] Thubanis: True Michael
    [12:24:38 PM] Michael: and issa was elias
    [12:24:46 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: sandalphon
    [12:24:51 PM] Thubanis: But reincarnation does not have to be as linear as the hindus make it out to be
    [12:25:18 PM] Michael: i dont think so either
    [12:25:20 PM] Thubanis: Whatever Issa you address; it is not the Logos Raven and I address
    [12:25:40 PM] Thubanis: And I am NOT going to argue philosophy today
    [12:25:58 PM] Michael: I dont think reincarnation has to be linear in time
    [12:26:02 PM] Michael: to clarify
    [12:26:09 PM] Thubanis: It is holofractal
    [12:26:40 PM] Thubanis: The easy way to discern this , Raven listen, is to consider simple fractals like a Mandelbrot set
    [12:26:55 PM] Thubanis: The true one and only Logos IS the fractal geometry
    [12:27:10 PM] Thubanis: Then this is reproduced on multitudinous levels and scales
    [12:27:32 PM] Thubanis: Ergo you cannot resonate with the true Logos, unless you have the same template geometry
    [12:27:45 PM] Thubanis: It is like jigsaw pieces not fitting
    [12:28:33 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah i love the fractal zooms
    [12:29:07 PM] Ishtara Raven: you can see how the one starting image becomes many different forms through the fractals
    [12:29:22 PM] Thubanis: WHY the NABS of 'everyone has their own timeline' and world is a mental trap
    [12:30:05 PM] Thubanis: Yes they CAN have this; BUT only after they have 'eaten' the fractal basetemplate and this one is unique and NOT arbitrary. It is the Cosmic Logostwin as a SEEDLING Uni-verse or Monosong as the JCCJ Twin.

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    Post  Didymos on Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:37 am

    On The Lotus Sutra and the Inumerability of Buddhism

    [3:53:31 PM - Friday, September 21st, 2012 - ( 10UCT)]

    Michael: Tony you ever check out the Lotus Sutra?
    [3:54:07 PM] Thubanis: Heard of it, so I would have seen it
    [3:54:19 PM] Michael: its a fairly long read
    [3:54:31 PM] Michael: but worth it
    [3:54:50 PM] Thubanis: I will look at it, as you suggested it
    [3:55:01 PM] Michael: fairly long as far as buddhist texts go
    [3:55:24 PM] Thubanis: The length does not matter to me, the essence does
    [3:56:55 PM] Michael: id be interested in your take on it as you like to decode numbers
    [3:58:13 PM] Thubanis: Ok I will address it once i looked at it
    [4:12:16 PM] Thubanis: Content

    This sutra is known for its extensive instruction on the concept and usage of skillful means – (Sanskrit: upāya, Japanese: hōben), the seventh paramita or perfection of a Bodhisattva – mostly in the form of parables. It is also one of the first sutras to use the term Mahāyāna, or "Great Vehicle", Buddhism. Another concept introduced by the Lotus Sutra is the idea that the Buddha is an eternal entity, who achieved nirvana eons ago, but willingly chose to remain in the cycle of rebirth (samsara) to help teach beings the Dharma time and again. He reveals himself as the "father" of all beings and evinces the loving care of just such a father. Moreover, the sutra indicates that even after the Parinirvana (apparent physical death) of a Buddha, that Buddha continues to be real and to be capable of communicating with the world.

    The idea that the physical death of a Buddha is the termination of that Buddha is graphically refuted by the movement and meaning of the scripture, in which another Buddha, who passed long before, appears and communicates with Shakyamuni himself. In the vision of the Lotus Sutra, Buddhas are ultimately immortal. A similar doctrine of the eternality of Buddhas is repeatedly expounded in the tathāgatagarbha sutras, which share certain family resemblances with the teachings of the Lotus Sutra.

    The Lotus Sutra also indicates (in Chapter 4) that emptiness (śūnyatā) is not the ultimate vision to be attained by the aspirant Bodhisattva: the attainment of Buddha Wisdom is indicated to be a bliss-bestowing treasure that transcends seeing all as merely empty or merely labeled.

    In terms of literary style, the Lotus Sutra illustrates a sense of timelessness and the inconceivable, often using large numbers and measurements of time and space. Some of the other Buddhas mentioned in the Lotus Sutra are said to have lifetimes of dozens or hundreds of kalpas, while the number of Bodhisattvas mentioned in the "Earth Bodhisattva" chapter number in the billions, if not more.

    The ultimate teaching of the sutra is implied to the reader that "full Buddhahood" is only arrived at by exposure to the truths expressed implicitly in the Lotus Sutra via its many parables and references to a heretofore less clearly imagined cosmological order. Skillful means of most enlightened Buddhas is itself the highest teaching (the "Lotus Sutra" itself), in conjunction with the sutra's stated tenets that all other teachings are subservient to, propagated by and in the service of this highest truth, that there are not actually Three Vehicles as previously taught, but only One Vehicle leading to Buddhahood.[7] The text also implies a parent-child relationship between Shakyamuni Buddha and living beings.

    Crucially, not only are there multiple Buddhas in this view, but an infinite stream of Buddhas extending through unquantifiable eons of time ("thousands of kotis of kalpas") in a ceaseless cycle of creations and conflagrations.

    In the vision set out in this sutra, moreover, not only are Buddhas innumerable, but the universe encompasses realms of gods, devas, dragons and other mythological beings, requiring numerous dimensions to contain them. Buddhas are portrayed as the patient teachers of all such beings.

    Some sources consider the Lotus Sutra to have a prologue and epilogue: respectively the Innumerable Meanings Sutra (無量義經 Ch: Wú Liáng Yì Jīng Jp: Muryōgi Kyō) and the Sutra of Meditation on the Bodhisattva Universal Worthy (普賢經 Ch: Pǔ Xián Jīng Jp: Fugen Kyō).

    The Lotus Sutra claims to be superior to all other sutras. Chapter ten of the Burton Watson translation states:

    ".. Medicine King, now I say to you, I have preached various sutras, and among those sutras the Lotus is foremost!"

    Chapter fourteen states:

    "Among the sutras, it holds the highest place."


    [4:13:41 PM] Thubanis: [4:12 PM] Thubanis:

    <<< He reveals himself as the "father" of all beings and evinces the loving care of just such a father.

    This is what Thuban calls Abba and Jesus called 'his father'. This is universal imo. I dont know where the 'Mother' is here so. The Mother=Creation and Father=Creator in Thuban archetypology

    [4:15:09 PM] Thubanis: [4:12 PM] Thubanis:

    <<< In the vision of the Lotus Sutra, Buddhas are ultimately immortal.

    This becomes the 'Office' of the 'divine messenger' in the gnosis and again here universally appropriate. One does not have to follow mantras and buddhistic rituals to realise this

    [4:16:21 PM] Thubanis: [4:12 PM] Thubanis:

    <<< The Lotus Sutra also indicates (in Chapter 4) that emptiness (śūnyatā) is not the ultimate vision to be attained by the aspirant Bodhisattva: the attainment of Buddha Wisdom is indicated to be a bliss-bestowing treasure that transcends seeing all as merely empty or merely labeled.

    This is good and much better than the nirvanistic void and illusion of the physical world. One has to read deeper to see, how far this sutra takes this 'acceptance' of the physicality though

    [4:17:41 PM] Thubanis: [4:12 PM] Thubanis:

    <<< In terms of literary style, the Lotus Sutra illustrates a sense of timelessness and the inconceivable, often using large numbers and measurements of time and space. Some of the other Buddhas mentioned in the Lotus Sutra are said to have lifetimes of dozens or hundreds of kalpas, while the number of Bodhisattvas mentioned in the "Earth Bodhisattva" chapter number in the billions, if not more.

    This is numerology in the sense that the texts most likely try to show the 'eternity' of the sutra and the buddha in some numerical quantifiable context.

    [4:18:27 PM] Thubanis: This I would reject, the same way I reject the multiverse as a separable uni-verse without a finite asymptotic encompassment or envelope
    [4:19:11 PM] Thubanis: This is a fallacy even in the scientific theories about what a multiverse is in quantum entangled 'many worlds'
    [4:20:27 PM] Thubanis: Yes the 'Many Worlds' exist and perhaps, just as this sutra attempts to show; but this manyness is a seedling template or blueprint phaseshifted and not separated as individual entities. There is a mathematically definable finiteness in the asymptotic infinite iow
    [4:21:03 PM] Thubanis: This disallows infinite regression of anything physically defined, yet mathematically possible.
    [4:21:19 PM] Thubanis: This is the asymptotic onedirectional entropy or 'arrow of time'
    [4:22:39 PM] Thubanis: You can always add 1 to any other number; but you cannot subtract past 1-1=0 the other way in simplistic terms. More appropriately become the limit definitions of numerical elements, such as say the reciprocals of integers approaching the enum erable infinity (symbol) in a fraction greater than unity 1, but approaching a Finite limit of Zero or Null (0) in the inversions. The negative count can be mathematically modelled but has no physical reality. This is where the trillions of years as the age of the universe is just nonsense to say, the Thuban cosmology
    [4:23:52 PM] Thubanis: The buddhist then says the universe has always existed or similar arguments and this is not the case for the physical universe. Albeit the metaphysical universe derived in NOW time, termed say instantenuity from the Void being All as a 'singularity' finitised
    [4:25:14 PM] Thubanis: This then allows you to define the eternal as being BOUNDED by the finite in a mathematical concept, yet allowing the entire entity to Grow and to expand within the parameters of the laws of physics and nature

    [4:25:39 PM] Michael: http://www.rk-world.org/publications/ThreefoldLotusSutra.pdf

    [4:26:13 PM] Thubanis: The universe is so 20 billion years old and even if you subdivide a scientific 'year' into much shorter 'buddha or brahman years', the number will always be finite, because there is such a thing as the quantization of 'time' as a minimum spacetime configuration
    [4:26:51 PM] Thubanis: Yes I saw this threefoldedness. Not much different to the trinity stuff of the christians
    [4:27:25 PM] Thubanis: In a sense, this relates to generations and the Pythagorean tetractys
    [4:27:55 PM] Thubanis: You need a minimum of 3 noncolinear 'points' to define a triangle as a minimum area
    [4:28:04 PM] Thubanis: 1+2+3+4=10
    [4:28:25 PM] Thubanis: 4 such 'points' then define a minimum volume as a tetrahedron
    [4:28:51 PM] Thubanis: 2 points define a line segment a displacement and so a spacial metric or matrix
    [4:29:32 PM] Thubanis: The 1 point is the 'singularity, which in buddhism becomes the buddha itself as the 'immortalised' expression of the infinite
    [4:29:43 PM] Thubanis: The thinking behind all this is all ok
    [4:31:42 PM] Thubanis: As many know and like; the oriental philosophy accents the nonseparation, whilst the occidental emphasises the separation into parts. Both are required to understand the finite whole being born from the infinite whole and yet encompasses the eternal within itself
    [4:32:35 PM] Thubanis: Fractal mathematics, like chaos theory, complexity and Mandelbrot-Julia sets depict this
    [4:34:39 PM] Thubanis: In your link here it reads 'On Inumerable Meanings'
    [4:35:11 PM] Thubanis: This relates to the so called 'Enumerability' of mathematical sets, like those of Cantor.
    [4:35:45 PM] Thubanis: This then leads into certain paradoxes and 'controversies', even amongst the 'expert mathematicians'
    [4:36:13 PM] Thubanis: And in cosmology as to if there are other 'universes' and stuff
    [4:37:39 PM] Thubanis: Thuban has shown, that a specific finite mathematical bound, namely the Euler Identity can be used to define a Cantor 'Aleph All' Cardinality, which allows you to 'count' infinities like integers. This then in a way encompasses the Cantor alephs and so this 'inumerability' of the buddhist, leading to those 'eternity' concepts

    [4:38:46 PM] Thubanis: The Euler Identity is defined in the Fibonacci roots and hence the symmetry found in nature as the maximum compressibility of information in say the Spiral of Archimedes
    [4:39:26 PM] Thubanis: The Fibonacci series then is found to be the original dynamo for creating a physical universe from its metaphysical precursor
    [4:41:17 PM] Thubanis: And this derives from algorithmic codes, not requiring space and time and so can be said to be the 'Eternal Now Moment' of the Buddhist
    [4:42:16 PM] Thubanis: There is a essay on the forums called: Lucifer's Mirror, which shows this from first principles, from the eternal void emerges the concretized cosmology

    [4:43:16 PM] Thubanis: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t5111p45-the-constitution-and-almanac-of-the-new-cosmos-in-dragon-logos-law-and-jurisprudence#82087

    [4:44:00 PM] Thubanis: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=C8003AFA-256F-490A-942F-15A004A56BC8&lastp=1&id=183ED10B-AE01-408D-B863-1418626FDEC7&pageindex=8

    [4:44:18 PM] Thubanis: http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t235-thuban-fleet-disclosures#3354

    [4:44:33 PM] Thubanis: 3 references, where this post can be found
    [4:45:05 PM] Thubanis: I gotta go, nice seeing you Michael

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    Post  Didymos on Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:38 am

    The Cosmic Office of the Divine Messenger

    [11:05:55 AM - Saturday, September 22nd, 2012/Equinox - ( 10UCT)]

    THE13THBRIDGE: what do you think tony of thoths emerald tablets
    [11:06:00 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i know he didn't write them alone
    [11:06:21 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: but a group of 12 people; along with 12 guides (12 x 12 = 144) people / or spirits wrote them
    [11:06:31 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: and, i don't think they deciphered them correctly
    [11:23:02 AM] Thubanis: There is an archetype 'Thoth' aka many other labels and there are the ones, who call themeselves 'thoth' after this 'cosmic office' Susan
    [11:24:06 AM] Thubanis: Thoth the archetype never incarnated as a persona or you can say, anyone intending and able to 'function' from this 'office' is a form of incarnated 'thoth'
    [11:24:44 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: once, i was told, i was a twin of thoth
    [11:24:57 AM] Thubanis: Thoth is in a way the same 'office' as the 'cosmic christ' Hermes Trismegistos and Mercury
    [11:24:58 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: kulcul of kan clan , and, culcul of can clan
    [11:25:12 AM] Thubanis: Yes Quetzacoatl is the 'same' office
    [11:25:21 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i was aware of his tri connection
    [11:25:26 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: never figured out my own
    [11:25:29 AM] Thubanis: The 'divine messenger' as such
    [11:25:49 AM] Thubanis: Anyone CAN participate in this office
    [11:25:54 AM] Thubanis: It is not exclusive
    [11:26:11 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: yes, i was totally aware, it is all encompassing
    [11:26:24 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that everyone holds the raft of potentials to achieve it
    [11:26:39 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i oft times; have wondered if the
    [11:26:48 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: kulcul of kan clan is the son, of the kulkulkan
    [11:26:56 AM] Thubanis: Of course the Egyptian 'priesthood' and royalty then often produced, fabricated and distorted much of this 'thoth' or ptrah or Set or Osirian 'offices'
    [11:27:07 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i know i taught in the 13th temple
    [11:27:13 AM] Thubanis: This is where the 'evilness' of thoth, ptah etc stems from
    [11:27:15 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: the one temple where both men and women came to
    [11:27:25 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that had gone thru the 12 male / or 12 female temples
    [11:27:46 AM] Thubanis: It was the misappropriation of the human priests and agents, who manipulated the office, not the office itself
    [11:27:47 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i used to visit this pyramid in the sand; my pyramid
    [11:27:57 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: yes, i was aware of that
    [11:28:14 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: i know i had a fall in around 1200bce in cusco, peru
    [11:28:20 AM] Thubanis: The same thing happened with the Xtian Jesus, who is an abomination in say the teleevangelic proselytisings
    [11:28:43 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: there was one of the group of 12 - that didn't go bad
    [11:29:06 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: however; 11 of us, had to attone in the dark underworlds; and; work also as guides to others; to get back to reincarnating again
    [11:29:33 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that was partly also how i remember; love is the end result; and; it is weaving the virtues that is important
    [11:31:45 AM] Thubanis: The 'Thoth' office is nicely illustrated in the Sapphire Tablet
    [11:32:15 AM] Thubanis: It applies to all incarnates, but is of course like a 'higher self' or such for everyone
    [11:32:28 AM] Thubanis: Not many wish to or act on this 'tablet'
    [11:33:10 AM] Thubanis: Thoth and Ptah are on the same generational level as Ra
    [11:33:19 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: the 10th
    [11:33:19 AM] Thubanis: They are NOT Osirian
    [11:33:26 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that is where my twin is; 10 upwards
    [11:33:45 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: that is where i passed the last pcs; of thoth up to
    [11:33:52 AM] Thubanis: Why the freemasons use Ptah so much in their symbology
    [11:34:02 AM] Thubanis: As a 'creator god' of Memphis
    [11:34:44 AM] Thubanis: But even the 'hieroglyphics' experts confuse the issue of the Egyptian pantheons
    [11:35:01 AM] Thubanis: And I said Ra not Rah see?
    [11:35:30 AM] Thubanis: Ra is part of the ennead, Rah is the originator of all, like Thuban's Abba as a 'Little Serpent'
    [11:35:50 AM] Thubanis: Then you have 2 Horuses
    [11:36:37 AM] Thubanis: The older and the younger, the younger being part of the ennead aka Osirian and the older being 'of the Horizon', the Hamarkhis/Sphinx and so on a par with Thoth and Ptah
    [11:37:30 AM] Thubanis: It became so confused in Akhenaten's attempt to bring Aton in as the Oe god with Nefertiti
    [11:37:38 AM] Thubanis: 1500BC
    [11:38:19 AM] Thubanis: If you understand the RaHaR symbol as that of RaH Apep, then it all convolutes
    [11:38:44 AM] Thubanis: Apep became Set the Egyptian devil and Rah became the sungod Ra, represented by Osiris and Orion
    [11:39:37 AM] Thubanis: Ergo some NABSers think evil reptoids come from Orion
    [11:39:57 AM] Thubanis: They are 'perceiving' Apep as the Draconians
    [11:40:17 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: WHICH ISN'T correct
    [11:40:17 AM] Thubanis: Apep is the Egyptian Serpent
    [11:40:38 AM] Thubanis: They can be excused for 'feeling' the symbols in that way
    [11:41:24 AM] Thubanis: When people read the stories about Osiris, Set and Isis and Nephthys, then they are considering later developments and evolvements
    [11:42:22 AM] Thubanis: The original story is the cosmogenesis and this one can only be 'found' by the interD communications and only when the 'cosmic chronos' allows this as appropriate
    [11:42:30 AM] Thubanis: This time of allowance is now and also since 1953, when certain pyramid codes at Khufu tell you of the 'end of the world'
    [11:45:23 AM] THE13THBRIDGE: what should i really be working on ?
    [11:46:16 AM] Thubanis: Your PR between the old world and the new world; you are a Cosmic Bridge, as you know
    [11:46:57 AM] Thubanis: There are precious few peace makers in this chronos
    [11:47:44 AM] Thubanis: You find yourself in a cosmic exile, just as many here
    [11:48:58 AM] Thubanis: If you try to 'share and help' you will be rejected by the many and only a few will appreciate you
    [11:49:09 AM] Thubanis: This is a sign of the times of cosmic war
    [11:50:07 AM] Thubanis: It are not the people who reject you, but the thoughtforms or memes, who form integrated parts of their psyches
    [11:50:34 AM] Thubanis: This cosmic war so is over 'psychic energy' say
    [11:51:26 AM] Thubanis: Pretty much similar to the 'battle over souls' in the medieval form of ''Good God' versus a 'Bad Evil Devil'
    [11:52:20 AM] Thubanis: It is just a form of expression
    [11:52:32 AM] Thubanis: Of something very real indeed
    [11:53:47 AM] Thubanis: As this dualism must end or better said, must be transformed from a separated duality into an integrated dualism, and as this has never occurred before in the history of the physicalised universe; we live and witness precarious and extraordinary times indeed
    [11:54:56 AM] Thubanis: I will share this on the forums and add the Emerald/Sapphire Tablets to it, Susan


    [12:10:39 PM] THE13THBRIDGE: M153 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3rVl2RKlUY

    [12:39:44 PM] Thubanis: I know you put much faith into this Susan; but whilst the story of the 'sacred vine' is true, it has been Nabs hijacked by many
    [12:40:20 PM] Thubanis: The 'water into wine' 'miracle' simply describes the change of one 'old world' bloodline into a 'new world' bloodline.
    [12:40:59 PM] Thubanis: This is certainly not restricted to rh-negative bloodtype peoples, which are genetic mutations in a greater genepool; but it relates to ALL 'lost and scattered sheep' as the 'lost tribes of Israel' aka the starsigns - all starsigns and as everyone in incarnation has a birthday, the 'sacred bloodline' is all humanity

    Human Bloodtype frequency distribution:

    O Rh positiveO+ 38% 38% 38%
    O Rh negative O- 7% 45% 45%
    A Rh positive A+34% 34% 79%
    A Rh negative A- 6%40% 85%
    B Rh positive B+ 9% 9% 94%
    B Rh negative B- 2% 11% 96%
    AB Rh positiveAB+ 3% 3% 99%
    AB Rh negative AB- 1% 4% 100%

    [12:42:48 PM] Thubanis: The 'new grail' of the sacred sangreal ergo the bloodline of 'Jesus and Mary Magdalene' relates to the 'Water Bearer' and so the 'Age of Aquarius' changing this old world into a new world and his own changing of the 'Age of Aries' into the 'Age of Pisces'

    [12:44:42 PM] Thubanis: The 'marriage of Canaan' so was not the wedding between Jesus and MM in 3D physicality. It would have been any old wedding; but the higherD dragonomy of the Twinlogos, later described as the 'sacred alchemy' in Revelation's 'New Jerusalem'. Those parables so all are true in a particular logistical sense and also therefore to many forms of misinterpretations.

    Here is a pertinent code from the Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin) and further references are encoded in Ezekiel.17 and the 'Song of Solomon'.

    (28) Jesus said, "I took my place in the midst of the world, and I appeared to them in flesh. I found all of them intoxicated; I found none of them thirsty. And my soul became afflicted for the sons of men, because they are blind in their hearts and do not have sight; for empty they came into the world, and empty too they seek to leave the world. But for the moment they are intoxicated. When they shake off their wine, then they will repent."

    (40) Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted outside of the father, but being unsound, it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed."

    (47) Jesus said, "It is impossible for a man to mount two horses or to stretch two bows. And it is impossible for a servant to serve two masters; otherwise, he will honor the one and treat the other contemptuously. No man drinks old wine and immediately desires to drink new wine. And new wine is not put into old wineskins, lest they burst; nor is old wine put into a new wineskin, lest it spoil it. An old patch is not sewn onto a new garment, because a tear would result."

    (65) He said, "There was a good man who owned a vineyard. He leased it to tenant farmers so that they might work it and he might collect the produce from them. He sent his servant so that the tenants might give him the produce of the vineyard. They seized his servant and beat him, all but killing him. The servant went back and told his master. The master said, 'Perhaps he did not recognize them.' He sent another servant. The tenants beat this one as well. Then the owner sent his son and said, 'Perhaps they will show respect to my son.' Because the tenants knew that it was he who was the heir to the vineyard, they seized him and killed him. Let him who has ears hear."

    [12:46:06 PM] Thubanis: One must relate this wedding and the vineyard and the 'good wine' and the 'bad wine' etc also to the older encodings in the OT/Torah, particularly Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Hosea, to relate the New Testament stories to the actual coamic agenda.
    [12:46:47 PM] Thubanis: Jesus understood this story basically from Genesis and his favourite 'manual, - the dragon prophecy of Isaiah.

    shiloh wrote:The 888-CASSIDY-BAPHOMET-THULEN Memeplex of 80=MINDMIND=40+40 and the Emerald Tablet of Moses


    To harmonise particular archetypes in their vibrational energy, specific alphanumeric patterns and associations can be used to achieve this purpose and effect.

    One particularly powerful archetype is that of Baphomet as the Cosmic Hermaphrodite; possessing both male and female characteristics in the one entity.

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    This symbol then becomes subject to ritual and divers forms of abuse of the sexual energy of the twinned Logos serpent of the deliverance and the redemption and includes the misunderstood and misinterpreted applications of so called 'sacred sexuality' in forms of 'tantra' and 'sexual alchemy' and 'secret societies' including esotericas like 'Rosyness', 'Bones', 'Path', 'Temples' and 'Thule'.

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    One then tentatively in a preparatory way, characterises the Old World as one side of a tripartite vibration pattern or matrix and a New Old World as the other side of this.

    The middle pattern, ren or name will so become universal and neutral in impartiality of the energy pattern developed and evolved from whatever 'misuse' in relative ignorance (aka sinfulness) might have been historically manifested in the utility of the archetype as a memeplex.

    The physical implementation of this harmonisation requires the 'sacrifice' of the duality inherent in the previously lived and applied ignoramus however.

    And so the association of a disincarnate CASSIDY with the LEFT or 'Sinister' or 'EVIL' side of the dualism and the association of an incarnate THULEN with the RIGHT or 'Good' side of the dualism allows the BAPHOMET memeplex to assume its new definition.

    The CASSIDY=DIYSACS represents a Female Maiden Name of the NEE of the Matriarchy and the THULEN=HULENT represents a Male Name of the Patriarchy in the cosmic order of things. Both DIYSACS and HULENT depict the Old World of the Duality between the 'Good and the Evil' and the Sexual Separation between 'Sexual Man' and 'Sexual Woman'.

    Allowing the Alchemy of the blending of the Old Worlds in the disincarnate DIYSACS and the incarnate HULENT to proceed; will however free the original divine androgyny of the BAPHOMET in nonduality.

    For a real New World of nondualism to be born from the disharmonies of the dualistic self states then, it so becomes pertinent, that the HULENT incarnation 'marries' the DIYSACS disincarnation in some saga and evolvement of the Old World of the duality.

    The reality of the disincarnate CASSIDY=80 vibration so becomes harmonised and balanced in the incarnate unreality of the THULEN=80 energy pattern in the self relative worldviews of the associations; that is the unreality of the DIYSACS becomes mirrored in the reality of the HULENT and vice versa in the Mirror of the twinned factuality of the now divine and sacred BAPHOMET archetype thus manifested as the Cosmic Twinflame of the Doubled Kundalini Serpent of the White 'First Coming' from Above and the Black 'Second Coming' from Below.

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    Erotic sculptures from Indian tantra temples

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    "So only the birth of omniscience towards the beginning of the third millennium has allowed us to finally draw all the ancient threads together and to weave the carpet of the New Science.
    We have built upon the traditions of the historical sciences and yet we could accomodate hitherto elusive concepts, such as consciousness and the meaning of emotions, love and the mind.

    An ancient inscription is legendarily ascribed to the Egyptian Ibisgod Thoth (also sometimes identified with some archcherubimic character called Metatron) and is supposedly his hieroglyphic legacy left as a testimonial in the Great Pyramid of Cheops or Khufu. It is also known as the 'Sapphire tablet of Moses'.
    It was translated ages ago by German archaeologists and exists as a prototype in the 'Amphitheatrum Sapientae Aeternae of Heinrich Khunrath', the 'Amphitheatre of Eternal Wisdom' and is dated to 1609."


    Verba secretorum hermetis!

    [1] Verum sine menda cio certum & verissimum, quod est inferi est sicut quod est superius & quod est superius est sicut quod est inferius; ad peristranda miracula rei uni.
    [2] Et sicut omnes res fuerunt ab uno, meditatione unius, sic omnes res nuta fuerunt ab hac
    una adaptatione.
    [3] Pater ei, est sol, mater eius luna, portavit illud ventus in ventre.
    [4] Suo nutrix eius terra est.
    [5] Pater omnis talismi toti mundi.
    [6] Est hic vis ei.
    [7] Integra est sive fuerit in terram separabis terram ab igne, subtile & spisso, suaviter cum magno ingenio.
    [8] Ascendit terra in coelum, iterumque descendit in terram & recipit vim superiorum & inferiorum.
    [9] Sic habebis gloriam toti mundi.
    [10] Ideo fugi atite omnis obscuritas.
    [11] Hic est totius fortitudinis fortitudo fortis.
    [12] Quia vincet omnem rem subtilem, omnem que solidam penetrabit.
    [13] Sic mundus creatus est.
    [14) Hinc erunt adaptationes mirabilis quarum modus hic est.
    [15] Itaque vocatus sum Hermes Trismegistus, habens tres partes philosophie totis mundi.
    [16] Completum est quod dixi de operatione solis.

    Mercurius Trismegistus in Pimandro.

    Das Wort des geheimnisvollen Boten

    [1] Wahrhaftig, keiner Lügen bewusst und auf das aller wahrhaftigste; das Unten ist dem Oben gleich und das Obere is dasselbe als da Untere; damit kann man das wunderbare eines einzigen Dinges erlangen und verrichten.
    [2] Und wie alle Dinge durch die Wahl eines einzigen Wesens erschaffen sind, werden alle Dinge durch das Denken eines Einzigen mit dem Einen durch Schickung und Gebot wieder zusammengefügt.
    [3] Die Sonne ist sein Vater und der Mond ist seine Mutter, der Wind hat ihn in seinem Bauch getragen.
    [4] Seine Ernährerin oder Amme ist die Erde.
    [5] Dieser ist der Vater aller Vollkommenheit dieser ganzen Welt.
    [6] Seine Macht ist vollkommen.
    [7] Wenn Es in der Erde verwandelt wird, dann wird das Erdreich vom Feuer scheiden und das Feine vom Groben; ganz lieblich mit grosser Bescheidenheit und Verstand.
    [8] Er steigt von der Erde in den Himmel und vom Himmel wieder zur Erde zurück und gewinnt so die Kraft des Oberen und des Unteren.
    [9] Auf diese Weise wird all die Herrlichkeit der ganzen Welt erhalten.
    [10] Deshalb versetze von Dir allen Unverstand und Unvermögenheit.
    [11] Das ist von aller Stärke die stärkste Stärke.
    [12] Dann kann das übriggebliebene Subtile gewonnen und das alte, harte Gewand durchdrungen werden.
    [13] Also ist die Welt geschaffen.
    [14] Daher geschehen seltsame Vereinigungen und deshalb werden mancherlei Wunder gewirkt.
    [15] Und sei darum gesund, Hermes Trismegistus, Besitzer der dreiteiligen Weisheit von der ganzen Welt.
    [16] Er wird alles erfüllen, was ich gesagt habe, vom Werke der Sonnen.

    Merkur, der dreifach Grosse, in Pimandro.

    The Emerald Tablet of the Secret Messenger

    [1] Truly, without fault and in all certainty and truthfulness; what is below is like what is above and the above is the same as the below, for the purpose to experience and bring about the wonders of the one thing.
    [2] And as all things are created through the choosing of one being; so the thinking of one with the one, brings all things by command and fate together again.
    [3] His father is the sun and his mother is the moon; the wind has carried him in his womb.
    [4] He is joined together and nursed by the earth.
    [5] This is the father of all completeness of the entire world.
    [6] His power is all inclusive.
    [7] At the time of its renewal, the soil shall separate from the fire and the subtle from the rough,
    acting sweetly and with great ingenuity.
    [8] He ascends sagaciously from the earth into heaven and then descends again into the earth, thus regaining the unifying force of the above and the below.
    [9] In this way is all the glory of all the worlds obtained.
    [10] Therefore avoid all ignorance.
    [11] Herein is found in all strenght the strongest strength.
    [12] By this can the remaining subtle whole be won and the old solid whole be penetrated.
    [13] Thus is the creation of the world.
    [14] Henceforth the eventuation of strange adaptations by extraordinary methods.
    [15] Accordingly be well, Hermes Trismegistos, keeper of the tripartite wisdom of the unified worlds.
    [16] He will accomplish that of which I have spoken through the operations of the suns.

    Mercury, the thrice-great, in Pimandro.

    So who is this Hermes Trismegistos?
    It is the archetype for the 'Teacher of Righteousness'.
    Right throughout the ages of humankind, there have been sages, soothsayers, prophets and mystics of all kinds; some sincere and others praying on the superstitions and the gullibilities of the general members of the population.

    One remembers the Naassenes; an early Christian Gnostic sect and closely associated with Jesus-Yeshuah of the Uraeus as the Left Lunar Eye of Thoth and Horus of the Hamarkhis in association with the Right Solar Eye of Ra as Hathor's Mirror of Anubis in 18, 6 and 9.

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    Post  Didymos on Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:40 am

    magamud wrote:Jesus could not put the resurrection/new wine unto the old wineskin lest it would burst. This was to inform us of these times. A parable in time travel...
    Myth is the truest way to communicate through time.

    "No one sews a patch of unshrunk cloth on an old garment, for the patch will pull away from the garment, making the tear worse.

    Matthew 9:16

    For the Human Gardenkeepers!

    The Parable of Hans Schatten

    There once lived a gardener in a place not known in part but in all. The gardener so could not plant anything somewhere in particular, but could only plant where he himself was as being nowhere and everywhere.

    The gardener wished to plant an apple-seed he had found to be part of himself in the place he was and so the gardener thought of himself as not being nowhere anymore, but to be right in the place of the apple seed.

    So the apple seed became real and occupied a real space, but caused the gardener to disappear from that real space into an unreal space. The gardener so became the unreal image in unreal space of the real image of the apple seed in the real space.

    And so the apple seed was born as real space to occupy, but being surrounded by an unreal space and there where the gardener still followed his dream to see the apple seed grow and blossom into a full apple tree after he had planted it.

    For the dream of the gardener was to grow the apple seed into a full apple tree and after reaching maturity, the apple tree would blossom and yield its fruit of apples which carried their own apple seeds within.
    Because this was the plan of the gardener as the unreal image of the real image. Should the single apple seed become two apple seeds, then any two apple seeds could image each other and the real images in the real space, would enable the gardener to use the real image of one of the apple seeds to mirror himself in the realness of one of the apple seeds in the gardener's unreality becoming real in the reality.

    Then the single seed of the gardener could multiply and the single apple tree could become a forest of apple trees and so on ad infinitum.

    But there would always have to be the first single apple seed which the gardener had become in real space as the image of himself in the unreal space. There could not have been two seeds of the one gardener, because two seeds would have meant that the gardener divided itself into two and that was not the plan of the planter.

    This initial apple seed would always remain to be the Seed of all Seeds around which the other seeds and apple trees and apple forests could grow, multiply and reproduce.

    Then the gardener would find himself in the real space too and leave his exile in the unreal space. The gardener would become reborn as the image of the image and all other apple seeds would similarly become gardeners themselves, as this was the nature of all things and the beginning of it all.

    Hans Schatten; for my apple seeded daughter in the unreal space to become real.

    Hans Schatten is the German translation for John Shadow

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    Ezekiel 17:
    1And the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
    2Son of man, put forth a riddle, and speak a parable unto the house of Israel;
    3And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; A great eagle with great wings, longwinged, full of feathers, which had divers colours, came unto Lebanon, and took the highest branch of the cedar:
    4He cropped off the top of his young twigs, and carried it into a land of traffick; he set it in a city of merchants.
    5He took also of the seed of the land, and planted it in a fruitful field; he placed it by great waters, and set it as a willow tree.
    6And it grew, and became a spreading vine of low stature, whose branches turned toward him, and the roots thereof were under him: so it became a vine, and brought forth branches, and shot forth sprigs.
    7There was also another great eagle with great wings and many feathers: and, behold, this vine did bend her roots toward him, and shot forth her branches toward him, that he might water it by the furrows of her plantation.
    8It was planted in a good soil by great waters, that it might bring forth branches, and that it might bear fruit, that it might be a goodly vine.
    9Say thou, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Shall it prosper? shall he not pull up the roots thereof, and cut off the fruit thereof, that it wither? it shall wither in all the leaves of her spring, even without great power or many people to pluck it up by the roots thereof.
    10Yea, behold, being planted, shall it prosper? shall it not utterly wither, when the east wind toucheth it? it shall wither in the furrows where it grew.
    11Moreover the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
    12Say now to the rebellious house, Know ye not what these things mean? tell them, Behold, the king of Babylon is come to Jerusalem, and hath taken the king thereof, and the princes thereof, and led them with him to Babylon;
    13And hath taken of the king's seed, and made a covenant with him, and hath taken an oath of him: he hath also taken the mighty of the land:
    14That the kingdom might be base, that it might not lift itself up, but that by keeping of his covenant it might stand.
    15But he rebelled against him in sending his ambassadors into Egypt, that they might give him horses and much people. Shall he prosper? shall he escape that doeth such things? or shall he break the covenant, and be delivered?
    16As I live, saith the Lord GOD, surely in the place where the king dwelleth that made him king, whose oath he despised, and whose covenant he brake, even with him in the midst of Babylon he shall die.
    17Neither shall Pharaoh with his mighty army and great company make for him in the war, by casting up mounts, and building forts, to cut off many persons:
    18Seeing he despised the oath by breaking the covenant, when, lo, he had given his hand, and hath done all these things, he shall not escape.
    19Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; As I live, surely mine oath that he hath despised, and my covenant that he hath broken, even it will I recompense upon his own head.
    20And I will spread my net upon him, and he shall be taken in my snare, and I will bring him to Babylon, and will plead with him there for his trespass that he hath trespassed against me.
    21And all his fugitives with all his bands shall fall by the sword, and they that remain shall be scattered toward all winds: and ye shall know that I the LORD have spoken it.
    22Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar, and will set it; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant it upon an high mountain and eminent:
    23In the mountain of the height of Israel will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.
    24And all the trees of the field shall know that I the LORD have brought down the high tree, have exalted the low tree, have dried up the green tree, and have made the dry tree to flourish: I the LORD have spoken and have done it.

    Just who or what the 'fowls of heaven' and the 'doves' and the 'vessels of mercy' are; I shall leave for the minds of the imaginations of the participators to discern.

    Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

    And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

      [1]Job 35:11
      Who teacheth us more than the beasts of the earth, and maketh us wiser than the fowls of heaven?

      [2]Psalm 79:2
      The dead bodies of thy servants have they given to be meat unto the fowls of the heaven, the flesh of thy saints unto the beasts of the earth.

      [3]Psalm 104:12
      By them shall the fowls of the heaven have their habitation, which sing among the branches.

      [4]Jeremiah 7:33
      And the carcases of this people shall be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth; and none shall fray them away.

      [5]Jeremiah 15:3
      And I will appoint over them four kinds, saith the LORD: the sword to slay, and the dogs to tear, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the earth, to devour and destroy.

      [6]Jeremiah 16:4
      They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth: and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcases shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.

      [7]Jeremiah 19:7
      And I will make void the counsel of Judah and Jerusalem in this place; and I will cause them to fall by the sword before their enemies, and by the hands of them that seek their lives: and their carcases will I give to be meat for the fowls of the heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.

      [8]Jeremiah 34:20
      I will even give them into the hand of their enemies, and into the hand of them that seek their life: and their dead bodies shall be for meat unto the fowls of the heaven, and to the beasts of the earth.

      [9]Ezekiel 29:5
      And I will leave thee thrown into the wilderness, thee and all the fish of thy rivers: thou shalt fall upon the open fields; thou shalt not be brought together, nor gathered: I have given thee for meat to the beasts of the field and to the fowls of the heaven.

      [10]Ezekiel 31:6
      All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations.

      [11]Ezekiel 31:13
      Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches:

      [12]Ezekiel 32:4
      Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.

      [13]Ezekiel 38:20
      So that the fishes of the sea, and the fowls of the heaven, and the beasts of the field, and all creeping things that creep upon the earth, and all the men that are upon the face of the earth, shall shake at my presence, and the mountains shall be thrown down, and the steep places shall fall, and every wall shall fall to the ground.

      [14]Daniel 2:38
      And wheresoever the children of men dwell, the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand, and hath made thee ruler over them all. Thou art this head of gold.

      [15]Daniel 4:12
      The leaves thereof were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all: the beasts of the field had shadow under it, and the fowls of the heaven dwelt in the boughs thereof, and all flesh was fed of it.

      [16]Daniel 4:21
      Whose leaves were fair, and the fruit thereof much, and in it was meat for all; under which the beasts of the field dwelt, and upon whose branches the fowls of the heaven had their habitation:

      [17]Hosea 2:18
      And in that day will I make a covenant for them with the beasts of the field and with the fowls of heaven, and with the creeping things of the ground: and I will break the bow and the sword and the battle out of the earth, and will make them to lie down safely.

      [18]Hosea 4:3
      Therefore shall the land mourn, and every one that dwelleth therein shall languish, with the beasts of the field, and with the fowls of heaven; yea, the fishes of the sea also shall be taken away.

      [19]Hosea 7:12
      When they shall go, I will spread my net upon them; I will bring them down as the fowls of the heaven; I will chastise them, as their congregation hath heard.

      I will consume man and beast; I will consume the fowls of the heaven, and the fishes of the sea, and the stumbling blocks with the wicked: and I will cut off man from off the land, saith the LORD.

      [21]Matthew 6:26
      Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?

      [22]Revelation 19:17
      And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;

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    Post  Didymos on Sat Sep 22, 2012 4:59 am

    Magamud wrote September 22nd, 2012:
    I cannot think there be anymore prophecy information to alarm the people.

    Can you?

    No, because whatever 'blabberings' and 'channelings' are surfacing, all are encompassed by the reconfiguration of the Logos timeline.

    The NABS adherents live under the impressions, that they are all cocreators with their own individual timelines. This is only partially so.
    Because the 'Eucharist' of the 'Christbody' IS in fact the physical universe as the 'resurrection', all incarnated lifeforms are within the 'Body of the Lion of Judea' by default and noone can get out, unless they decide to 'Eat this Lion', iow they have to not only 'accept' the World Logos, but they also must swallow it as itself - becoming JCCJ holographically. This is the key message in the GOT, with which you seem to be rather familiar with.

    The old used by date caveat, that only the 'father knows the times' is old hat, because Jesus being 'as one with the father' can very easily ask or receive the 'father's knowing of the times'. Then Jesus with MM will 'forward' those 'times of the prophecies fulfilled' to his friends and family. And also the passages where he says, that he must go away, so the comforter can come in John. This is what this means in scriptural terms and this is also encoded as the dualism of Christ in Isaiah and typefied in the renaming of Jacob to Israel and AbramSarai to AbrahamSarah and other such codes.

    It is as simple as that; but you cant talk about this with the dogmatists, the skeptics and naysayers very much.


    Magamud wrote:Tony,
    Would we not go back to Genesis and repeat the cycle? A thousand years to procreate?

    You have the knowledge of the last, so you would be the first..

    Your thinking is excellent Eric and yes indeed the starhuman will in a way become the first members and ambassadors of a new and original cosmic species or genetic prototype.
    However the genesis derives from something, you might term cosmogenesis and the cyclicity of this is being changed from its deepest roots.
    So what is actually happening is a 'remake' of the original 'cosmic script' from WITHIN Timespace.
    This was not possible in the beginning of creation; as this occurred from the Void being Eternity or a concept of the 'creation de ex nihilo'.
    Space and time were 'born' from this and the consciousness evolution of this became the 'entire creation waiting in agony for its deliverence', as per the letters of Paul.
    So what we are doing here, we are 'helping and supporting' the 'Outside Logos', the essence of Jesus as the Word as 'God's Intelligence' and so outside of space and time, then disincarnate cosmic intelligence behind the encodings of the 'scribes and prophets' and then finally incarnating in the 'flesh'; we are creating a feedback loop from the inside of space and time as an Inside Logos to the Outside Logos and it is this, which is encoded as the 'End of Times'.

    So the 'cosmic movie' was shown, as say the recent human history of the Cro Magnon homo sapiens cycle of so 26,000 years and this is now being edited as the legislature of the playwright. This playwright being the World Logos of course; who because of having been within space and time can now manifest in hisher predestined manyness as a new starhuman race and inheritors of the cosmic legacies encoded in the older Genesis and related stories and scripts.


    PS.: I just saw your reply and so apologize for not responding earlier. I am taking the liberty of sharing our conversations, if they address topics of general relevance. So please let me know, if you object to that.

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    Post  Didymos on Sat Sep 22, 2012 7:35 am

    magamud wrote:Thanks for the Ezekiel passages and the response.
    Amazing how the bible is the past, future and present. Fate and choice all wrapped into one...

    You GOT it, magamud and the pun is intended.

    The secret of the bible is simple. It is just one of many encoded lexicons of collected writings with both exoteric and esoteric meanings.
    A very limited translation of the exoteric or outer results in literalism, fundamentalistic dogmatism and often bigotry, religious zealotism and the many biases of the human mindedness.

    Similarly, but not to such a large extent, due to the 'initiating' gnosis, insight or sophic wisdom required; the esoteric or inner interpretations can, have and do result in say a form of 'abusive semantic pollution' of the source material and codes by 'secret societies', cults and 'alternative' or unorthodox lifestyles and philosophies or worldviews with respect to the orthodoxy or the 'status quo' or 'mainstream'.

    What renders the bible codes unique in comparison to the source codes or 'Holy writs' of other 'global religions', is its numerical encoding of the 'Logos timeline'.

    Why is Noah 600 years old, when he enters the ark? Why is the timespan between the end of the 40 days of the rains and the following 110 days to the cessation of the rains 150 days to the 'rest' of Noah's ark on the peak of Mount Ararat exactly 74 days?

    Why is the 'temptation of Jesus' in the wilderness 40 days and not 39 or 41 and in a day-for-a-year code with the symbolic sojourn of Moses and the Israelites in the wilderness of Sinai?

    Why then is Jesus just those 40 days from Easter Sunday 31AD to Ascension Thursday 31AD and then followed by 10 days of 'absentia' until Whit Sunday, Shabuoth or Pentecost and matching the 10 days of 'imprisonment by the Devil' in Revelation.2 in the letter to the 'spirit of the church of Smyrna as one of the seven spirits of God' in Revelation.4?

    Why is the daycount between the construction of the 'Abomination of Desolation' and the 'Cleansing of the Sanctuary' exactly 2300 days and relates to the mysterious saying of Jesus in Matthew.24, where he says that only the ones that read might understand the mystery of this 'abomination'?

    Why is the times and a time and half a time repeatedly used, emphasized and particularised in Daniel's prophecy of the 'beast' and then apparently repeated in the Book of John's Revelation?

    Why is there a 'blessing' and 'anointing' in Daniel regarding this daycount of a 360 day count as this 'time' then resulting in a 720+360+180=1260 day summation related to this 'blessing' in 1290 days and 1335 days?
    And why is Noah's 'time' between the destruction of the 'old world' to the 'new rainbow covenant' between the 'new mankind and God' exactly 370+7=377 days, including the 7 days for the 'building of the ark'?

    Why, why, why?
    Who asks those questions and why are those time specifics found in the bible, but not the other 'Holy Books'?

    I am sure you can answer those questions for yourself, dear magamud. And you know who understood the 'secrets of the codes' and mysteries, because heshe composed or created them in their original version.

    John 1.1-18: King James Version (KJV)

    1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

    2 The same was in the beginning with God.

    3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

    4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

    5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

    6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
    7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
    8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
    9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
    10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
    11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
    12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
    13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
    14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
    15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
    16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
    17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
    18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

    As one of the carpenters and artesians who can and have heard the clarion calls;
    as one of the rememberers of the ancient times and the meeting places of the future past;
    Feel the Truth, magamud - feel it and Know it in your soul, heart and cosmic beingness!


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    magamud Today at 10:31 am

    encoded lexicons of collected writings with both exoteric and esoteric meanings.
    The good book insured by the creator to hold his word. Im amazed at how much myth points to past cycles with the One. Osiris, Mithra, Krishna, Odin. A timeless tale and im just the son of a salesman, grace of god opened my eyes.

    A very limited translation of the exoteric or outer results in literalism, fundamentalistic dogmatism and often bigotry, religious zealotism and the many biases of the human mindedness.
    A testimony to our nature. Hard to stop our species projections when your dealing with desolation!

    'abusive semantic pollution'
    A credit to our species power. The Vedas narrative contradicting the Christ in todays time is quite amazing.
    The pharisees do not enter, nor do they let anyone else enter..

    Why, why, why?
    Yes nothing left uncovered to the very mathematics of it.
    Show me the stone the builders rejected and I will show you the capstone.

    Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

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    A credit to our species power. The Vedas narrative contradicting the Christ in todays time is quite amazing.
    The pharisees do not enter, nor do they let anyone else enter..
    a liar thinks that whole world are liars
    There is no conflict in pure Christ teachings, He was realized soul, He spoke about Love to God, the so called christians are quite amazing.

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    Thank you Devakas.

    Man knows not what he does, what does that make him?

    The Vedas can evolve easily, by just acknowledging the Christ and not over compensating their mental speculations.

    The test is acknowledging his flesh and blood. Or taking the Eucharist has Tony explains it, but the Vedas are so in the clouds like the birds.

    Come back to earth friend....

    a liar thinks that whole world are liars
    There is no conflict in pure Christ teachings, He was realized soul, He spoke about Love to God, the so called christians are quite amazing.
    Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

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    THEeXchanger Today at 11:53 am

    people with 'real' truth - live in this world in eXile :(

    why is that ???

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    Post  Didymos on Sat Sep 22, 2012 9:02 pm

    THEeXchanger wrote:people with 'real' truth - live in this world in eXile :(

    why is that ???

    The 'Little Season' of the Devil's Deception per the Exiles from the Stars of Thuban

    This is a general statement for and to this forum of the Moabytes.

    I have created this latest thread on 'Conversations' for a particular purpose and reason; namely to continue the bridge between this forum of 'The Mists of Avalon' and the Thuban information share and transmission, after shilo decided to resign from this forum as a member defined participator.

    However certain administrative decicions and choices, as well as the general mentality on this forum in regards to the data sharing of Thuban and the manner of discourses, which favour 'New Age BS' (NABS) and gross generalisations, as well as misrepresentations of data presented over a more detailed and mindfully demanding discussion and debate; have now rendered my attempts of building 'Bridges over the Troubled Waters' less tenable and as a lesson in relative futility.

    There are other reasons for the decision to cease contributing information on this forum from the Thuban archives and as created and communicated from the ex member shiloh in cooperation and cocreation with other dragons here and there and everywhere. Thubans are all independent agents for the Cosmic TwinLogos and so it is the individual's choice to actively participate on MOA or to resign or to remain as an inactive reader of the material and topics shared by the MOA forum. It is the data flow from shiloh through me, which has now ended, not the general presence of Thubans here on this forum. In view of the hostile reception from most of the participants here, other administrative decisions regarding bannings and an indirect request for Thubans to leave remains however a possibility.

    A special notion of gratitude is extended to Floyd here, who when he created this forum after the dissolution of the Old Project of Avalon forum in April 2010, saw it fit and proper to invite the 'banned dragons' from that forum to establish a web presence on the newly born MOA forum in two installations. Your efforts and awareness about the 'cosmic order' and the 'cosmic justification' with regards to a 'New World' and 'order of things', is well appreciated and was welcomed. Thank You, Gracias, Merci and Danke Schön, Floyd from the Dragon Den.

    Further notions of gratidude are extended to some members here, who, if not aligned to the Thuban information, nevertheless exhibited a welcoming heart and a higher cosmic awareness of truth and a feeling as to 'how things must and should be' in a 'higher order' of things.
    Those members are the ones, who do not openly affiliate themselves with the Thuban label, but nevertheless have grown a bridge between their Thinking Hearts and their Feeling Minds.
    So on behalf of Noah's Ark de Thuban, I wish to thank Mudra and Sanicle and Brook and Lionhawk and MP33 and Malletzky as displaying etiquette and a cosmic maturity well above the standard responses received from the general interactivees.
    There has been a 'change in perception' in some members here, who thought and felt it appropriate to render their hostilities towards Thuban, say as displayed on the old Project Avalon forum, as less intensive and pronounced.
    For this reason alone, my presence here was not in vain and resulted in benefical outcomes in the cosmically encompassing sense.

    The scriptural or encoded reason engages the 'Little Season' of deception and as encoded in the Book of Revelations:

    Revelation 6:10-12
    King James Version (KJV)

    10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
    11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.
    12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

    Revelation 20:2-4
    King James Version (KJV)

    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    As the planetary birthing cocoon will be in hibernation until the December solstice 2012; the 'execution' and fulfilment of this code must be templated in a say higher physical density and a lower logistical dimension before the Gaian rebirth and for the purpose to become mirrored or reflected following the metaphysical rebirth in a lower physical density and a higher logistical dimension.
    The 'Little Season' encoded so is in a way 'blueprinted' in a cosmic metaphysical legislature, before it can be executed in a cosmic physical process of this selfsame jurisdiction.

    There are four 'Little Seasons' in the year 2012:

    March Equinox on Tuesday, March 20th, 2012 at 05:14 UCT as the 1st day
    June Solstice on Wednesday, June 20th, 2012 at 23:09 UCT as the 93rd day in +1+92=93 days
    September Equinox on Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 at 14:49 UCT as the 187th day in 93+94=187 days
    December Solstice on Friday, December 21st, 2012 at 11:12 UCT as the 277th day in 187+90=277 days

    As the 'Great Prophetic Platonic Cycle or Degree Year' is encoded as 360 days, a 'Little Season', meaning one of the four timeperiods between an annual solstice and an annual equinox is 360/4=90 days and this then matches the 'timespan before the Gaian Rebirth' from September 22nd, 2012 to December 21st, 2012 to the 'timespan after the Gaian Rebirth' from January 31st, 2014 to Beltane 2014 in January 31st, 2014 - April 30th-May 1st, 2014.
    Details on this can be found on some of the Thuban calendars and timeline in the Thuban forum.

    The Bridge between Thuban and MOA has now become burned and has fallen into the 'Waters of the Abyss of the Self deceptions and the NABS delusions'.

    The 'Conversation' thread will however continue on the Heavenforum of
    birthofgaia.heavenforum.org at Conversations on BirthofGaia ,
    as well as on the Thuban library at
    www.cosmosdawn.com at Conversations on Thuban .
    On those forums, shilo is also known as Didymos and as Thubanis respectively.

    Anyone who would like to ask questions in that library or simply read and peruse the continuity of this thread, is invited to participate in any manner desired or appropriate for the enquirer.

    Farewell Moabytes, we might meet again under rather different circumstances!

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    'Meteor' showers seen lighting up the skies across Scotland

    CONCERNED members of the public from Airdrie to Arbroath reported sightings of fireworks and even plane crashes as they called emergency services.

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    A suspected meteor sighting from Coatbridge

    A SUSPECTED meteorite shower over Scotland prompted a flurry of 999 calls from worried members of the public last night.
    Concerned callers from Airdrie to Arbroath likened the lights they saw in the sky to flares, fireworks and even a plane crash.
    Coastguard and police up and down the country were inundated with reports from around 11pm.

    The Daily Record newsdesk received a spate of calls from Glasgow, Renfrewshire, Dumbarton, Shotts, Grangemouth, various parts of Fife and Milton of Campsie - all from members of the public who reported seeing bright objects in the sky.

    One shocked Coatbridge woman sent us a picture, which clearly shows a bright light shooting through the sky, taken from outside her house shortly after 11pm.

    A spokesman for Forth Coastguard said: "From talking to other stations and to the RAF it's almost certainly meteorite activity.
    "Calls came in from all over the place, thick and fast. We've had people report possible plane crashes, and others the weirdest fireworks they've ever seen.
    "Folk just haven't known how to describe what they've seen. It's quite extraordinary."

    The spokesman said reports had come from Crail, Johnshaven and Arbroath. Clyde Coastguard said it had received a "wee flurry" of calls reporting flares seen in Drummore, Airdrie and Brodick on Arran.

    A spokeswoman said: "When we get it all over and at the same time then we attribute them to meteorites. There was meteorite activity forecast from September 15 to 21."
    Shetland Coastguard said a report of a flare at 11.10pm at Duncansby Head near John O'Groats was thought to be part of the meteorite shower.


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    Matthew 24:
    King James Version (KJV)

    1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
    2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
    3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
    4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
    5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
    9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
    10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.
    11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
    14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
    21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
    22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
    23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
    24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
    25 Behold, I have told you before.
    26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
    27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
    30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
    31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

    32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
    33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
    34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
    35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
    36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
    37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
    39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
    40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
    42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

    43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
    44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
    45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
    46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
    47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
    48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
    49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
    50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
    51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

    Who are these that fly as a cloud, and as the doves to their windows?

    And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

    1 Thessalonians 4:16-18
    16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
    17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
    18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

    Luke 10:17-19
    17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
    18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
    19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.

    Rosh Hashanah began in the evening of Sunday, 16 September 2012, and ended in the evening of Tuesday, 18 September 2012.


    Sunday, September 16th, 2012 = New Virgo Moon in Virgo Sun at 23°37' at 02:11 UCT

    Monday, September 17th, 2012 = Rosh Hosanna = "Day of Judgement' = Day of Trumpets and Horns

    Wednesday, September 19th, 2012 = Midweekpoint at 08:30 UCT

    Saturday, September 22nd, 2012 = September Equinox, 2012 at 14:49 UCT

    21:49 + 5x24 + 14:49 = 120 + 36:38 hours and midpointed at 156:38=78:19+78:19 hours for 02:11+78:19 = 80:30 hours = Wednesday, September 19th, 2012 at 08:30 hours

    Sunday, September 30th, 2012 = Full Aries Moon in Libra Sun at 07°22' at 03:19 UCT
    Monday, October 15th, 2012 = New Libra Moon in Libra Sun at 22°32' at 12:03 UCT

    Isaiah 66:22-24 (KJV)
    22For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
    23And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.
    24And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):
    {27} "If you do not fast as regards the world, you will not find the kingdom. If you do not observe the Sabbath as a Sabbath, you will not see the father."

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    Meteor lights up sky over Walsall

    EYEWITNESSES from across the UK - including Walsall - have reported seeing glowing objects in the night sky, thought to be meteors.

    The lights were seen as far north as Caithness in north-east Scotland and as far south as Norfolk in East Anglia.

    Experts said the meteors could be space junk, possibly satellite debris, burning up on entry to the atmosphere.

    The meteor shower has so far also been reported in parts of north-east England, Wales and in Scottish cities such as Glasgow and Edinburgh.

    Brian Guthrie in Grangemouth near Edinburgh, who watched the objects pass through the sky, told the BBC it appeared to be something "pretty large breaking up in the atmosphere".

    "I've seen shooting stars and meteor showers before, but this was much larger and much more colourful."
    One person who contacted the BBC said it was "kind of a mass of light, gold light. Everything moving in unison".

    "It wasn't diverging or whatever. I thought it was a plane at first. It was quite low on the horizon and moving much slower than I'd expect to see a shooting star, but it was amazing."

    Another said the sight was "like Independence Day" in reference to the film about an alien invasion of Earth.

    "It was broken up by the time I saw it. There must have been 10 or 15 huge pieces on fire, white hot with red down the side."

    Dr Tim O'Brien, associate director of the Jodrell Bank Observatory, said it was difficult to know the cause the meteor shower.

    "These bright lights seen over the skies of Lisburn, Northern Ireland, are possibly pieces of satellite. It's hard to say exactly, whether it was a chunk of rock coming in from outer space, burning up in the atmosphere or a bit of space debris, we call it, space junk, which is basically man-made stuff from a spacecraft that's burning up in the atmosphere.

    "[The meteor was] probably 80 miles up or so, high up, moving very fast, actually, 18,000 miles an hour, probably, at least."

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    Gospel of Thomas (Lambdin):

    {5} Jesus said, "Recognize what is in your sight, and that which is hidden from you will become plain to you . For there is nothing hidden which will not become manifest."

    {7} Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

    {8} And he said, "The man is like a wise fisherman who cast his net into the sea and drew it up from the sea full of small fish. Among them the wise fisherman found a fine large fish. He threw all the small fish back into the sea and chose the large fish without difficulty. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

    {9} Jesus said, "Now the sower went out, took a handful (of seeds), and scattered them. Some fell on the road; the birds came and gathered them up. Others fell on the rock, did not take root in the soil, and did not produce ears. And others fell on thorns; they choked the seed(s) and worms ate them. And others fell on the good soil and it produced good fruit: it bore sixty per measure and a hundred and twenty per measure."

    {10} Jesus said, "I have cast fire upon the world, and see, I am guarding it until it blazes."

    {11} Jesus said, "This heaven will pass away, and the one above it will pass away. The dead are not alive, and the living will not die. In the days when you consumed what is dead, you made it what is alive. When you come to dwell in the light, what will you do? On the day when you were one you became two. But when you become two, what will you do?"

    {21} Mary said to Jesus, "Whom are your disciples like?"
    He said, "They are like children who have settled in a field which is not theirs. When the owners of the field come, they will say, 'Let us have back our field.' They (will) undress in their presence in order to let them have back their field and to give it back to them. Therefore I say, if the owner of a house knows that the thief is coming, he will begin his vigil before he comes and will not let him dig through into his house of his domain to carry away his goods. You, then, be on your guard against the world. Arm yourselves with great strength lest the robbers find a way to come to you, for the difficulty which you expect will (surely) materialize. Let there be among you a man of understanding. When the grain ripened, he came quickly with his sickle in his hand and reaped it. Whoever has ears to hear, let him hear."

    {22} Jesus saw infants being suckled. He said to his disciples, "These infants being suckled are like those who enter the kingdom."
    They said to him, "Shall we then, as children, enter the kingdom?"
    Jesus said to them, "When you make the two one, and when you make the inside like the outside and the outside like the inside, and the above like the below, and when you make the male and the female one and the same, so that the male not be male nor the female female; and when you fashion eyes in the place of an eye, and a hand in place of a hand, and a foot in place of a foot, and a likeness in place of a likeness; then will you enter the kingdom."

    {23} Jesus said, "I shall choose you, one out of a thousand, and two out of ten thousand, and they shall stand as a single one."

    {27} "If you do not fast as regards the world, you will not find the kingdom. If you do not observe the Sabbath as a Sabbath, you will not see the father."

    {29} Jesus said, "If the flesh came into being because of spirit, it is a wonder. But if spirit came into being because of the body, it is a wonder of wonders. Indeed, I am amazed at how this great wealth has made its home in this poverty."

    {30} Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

    {38} Jesus said, "Many times have you desired to hear these words which I am saying to you, and you have no one else to hear them from. There will be days when you will look for me and will not find me."

    {39} Jesus said, "The pharisees and the scribes have taken the keys of knowledge (gnosis) and hidden them. They themselves have not entered, nor have they allowed to enter those who wish to. You, however, be as wise as serpents and as innocent as doves."

    {40} Jesus said, "A grapevine has been planted outside of the father, but being unsound, it will be pulled up by its roots and destroyed."

    {41} Jesus said, "Whoever has something in his hand will receive more, and whoever has nothing will be deprived of even the little he has."

    {42} Jesus said, "Become passers-by."

    {43} His disciples said to him, "Who are you, that you should say these things to us?"
    "You do not realize who I am from what I say to you, but you have become like the Jews, for they (either) love the tree and hate its fruit (or) love the fruit and hate the tree."

    {44} Jesus said, "Whoever blasphemes against the father will be forgiven, and whoever blasphemes against the son will be forgiven, but whoever blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven either on earth or in heaven."

    {50} Jesus said, "If they say to you, 'Where did you come from?', say to them, 'We came from the light, the place where the light came into being on its own accord and established itself and became manifest through their image.' If they say to you, 'Is it you?', say, 'We are its children, we are the elect of the living father.' If they ask you, 'What is the sign of your father in you?', say to them, 'It is movement and repose.'"

    {51} His disciples said to him, "When will the repose of the dead come about, and when will the new world come?"
    He said to them, "What you look forward to has already come, but you do not recognize it."

    {64} Jesus said, "A man had received visitors. And when he had prepared the dinner, he sent his servant to invite the guests.
    He went to the first one and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said, 'I have claims against some merchants. They are coming to me this evening. I must go and give them my orders. I ask to be excused from the dinner.'
    He went to another and said to him, 'My master has invited you.' He said to him, 'I have just bought a house and am required for the day. I shall not have any spare time.'
    He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said to him, 'My friend is going to get married, and I am to prepare the banquet. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused from the dinner.'
    He went to another and said to him, 'My master invites you.' He said to him, 'I have just bought a farm, and I am on my way to collect the rent. I shall not be able to come. I ask to be excused.'
    The servant returned and said to his master, 'Those whom you invited to the dinner have asked to be excused.' The master said to his servant, 'Go outside to the streets and bring back those whom you happen to meet, so that they may dine.' Businessmen and merchants will not enter the places of my father."

    {70} Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring it forth from yourselves. That which you do not have within you will kill you if you do not have it within you."

    {71} Jesus said, "I shall destroy this house, and no one will be able to build it [...]."

    {72} A man said to him, "Tell my brothers to divide my father's possessions with me."
    He said to him, "O man, who has made me a divider?"
    He turned to his disciples and said to them, "I am not a divider, am I?"

    {73} Jesus said, "The harvest is great but the laborers are few. Beseech the Lord, therefore, to send out laborers to the harvest."

    {74} He said, "O Lord, there are many around the drinking trough, but there is nothing in the cistern."

    {75} Jesus said, "Many are standing at the door, but it is the solitary who will enter the bridal chamber."

    {76} Jesus said, "The kingdom of the father is like a merchant who had a consignment of merchandise and who discovered a pearl. That merchant was shrewd. He sold the merchandise and bought the pearl alone for himself. You too, seek his unfailing and enduring treasure where no moth comes near to devour and no worm destroys."

    {77} Jesus said, "It is I who am the light which is above them all. It is I who am the all. From me did the all come forth, and unto me did the all extend. Split a piece of wood, and I am there. Lift up the stone, and you will find me there."

    {80} Jesus said, "He who has recognized the world has found the body, but he who has found the body is superior to the world."

    {81} Jesus said, "Let him who has grown rich be king, and let him who possesses power renounce it."

    {82} Jesus said, "He who is near me is near the fire, and he who is far from me is far from the kingdom."

    {83} Jesus said, "The images are manifest to man, but the light in them remains concealed in the image of the light of the father. He will become manifest, but his image will remain concealed by his light."

    {84} Jesus said, "When you see your likeness, you rejoice. But when you see your images which came into being before you, and which neither die not become manifest, how much you will have to bear!"

    {108} Jesus said, "He who will drink from my mouth will become like me. I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him."

    {109} Jesus said, "The kingdom is like a man who had a hidden treasure in his field without knowing it. And after he died, he left it to his son. The son did not know (about the treasure). He inherited the field and sold it. And the one who bought it went plowing and found the treasure. He began to lend money at interest to whomever he wished."

    {111} Jesus said, "The heavens and the earth will be rolled up in your presence. And the one who lives from the living one will not see death." Does not Jesus say, "Whoever finds himself is superior to the world?"

    {112} Jesus said, "Woe to the flesh that depends on the soul; woe to the soul that depends on the flesh."

    {113} His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
    "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."

    Huge fireballs shoot across night sky in spectacular 'meteor' shower ... but turns out it was probably space junk falling back to Earth

    • 20 orange objects soared through the night sky at speeds in excess of 18,000 miles an hour
    • High number of eye-witness accounts suggest the sightings may have been bits of space hardware
    • Meteors flash by while bits of old spacecraft appear in the sky for longer

    By [url=http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Sam Shead]Sam Shead[/url]

    PUBLISHED:19:10 GMT, 22 September 2012| UPDATED: 19:10 GMT, 22 September 2012

    Experts claim that the suspected meteors seen soaring through UK skies last night may have been bits of man-made satellites.
    If they turn out to be right then hundreds of people will have been looking up at bits of old spacecraft burning up as they entered the atmosphere.

    The large number of eyewitness accounts also support the expert's theory as meteors - or fragments of rock - flash across the sky in an instant while incoming space hardware takes longer to pass over.

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    Meteors or old bits of man-made space equipment? Experts and local reports suggest last night's firework display may have been bits of space junk re-entering Earth's atmosphere

    Dr Tim O'Brien, associate director of the Jordell Bank Observatory, told the BBC it was probably 'orbital debris from satellites.

    '[The object was] probably 80 miles up or so, high up, moving very fast, actually, 18,000 miles an hour, probably, at least.'

    Colin Johnston of Armagh Planetarium told the BBC a meteor shower had now been anticipated.
    'It could be a bit of natural space junk which has been floating around the universe for billions of years, or it could be a man-made satellite which has burned up,' he said.

    The bright lights were seen streaking through the sky in the North of England, Northern Ireland and Scotland.
    They were seen as far as the Shetland Islands in Scotland as well as in Wales and Norfolk in East Anglia.
    Many people in Manchester, Leeds and Blackpool have also been busy posting pictures of last night's event.

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    Jim Ramsay, 44, spotted the bright light while taking pictures of the night sky near Squinty Bridge in Glasgow city centre

    Jim Ramsay, 44, spotted the bright light while taking pictures of the night sky near Squinty Bridge in Glasgow city centre.

    'I was taking photos when I suddenly saw this really bright white light approaching,' said Jim, from Glasgow.
    'It kept coming towards me and I wondered what it could be as it didn't seem like a plane or a helicopter and was too bright for a Chinese lantern.
    'It was visible for at least 45 seconds, then it split into about 10 pieces all travelling at the same rate, before disappearing.
    'It was really spectacular and the talk of the town afterwards.'

    Civil engineering student Craig Usher, 23, was taking photos of the north star at Loch Thom in Scotland when he saw the meteor out the corner of his eye.

    'I suddenly saw this flash out of the side of my eye and saw a meteor breaking into about 20 pieces,' said Craig, who is a student at Glasgow University.
    'They were heading relatively slowly across the sky so I quickly turned my camera around and started taking some photos.

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    Tom Heaton, 28, was star gazing with his girlfriend for the first time when they saw the meteor in Galloway Forest Park in Scotland

    'I was absolutely gobsmacked to see the meteor and really pleased to have got the pictures.'

    Tom Heaton, 28, was star gazing with his girlfriend for the first time when they saw the meteor in Galloway Forest Park in Scotland.
    'It was a one in a million chance we were in just the right place at the right time,' he said.
    'At first I thought a plane had crashed, but then I realised it was a meteor. We were very lucky to spot it.'

    Meteors are particles from space that burn up as they plummet through Earth's atmosphere, sometimes emitting light and creating a 'fireball' effect.
    Meteorites are larger, more durable objects that survive heating in the atmosphere and land on Earth.

    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207180/Huge-fireballs-shoot-night-sky-spectacular-meteor-shower---turns-probably-space-junk-falling-Earth.html#ixzz27H1Jpm9N

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    magamud wrote:Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant,

    and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all.

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    Post  Didymos on Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:40 pm

    The Talmud of Jmmanuel and Billy Meier of Plejaran Starworlds

    As some Dragons have come across the 'Talmud of Immanuel' NABS disinformation; a more detailed critique as to the claims and propositions made in that document is appropriate.
    The short clips and this quote here, which should show the 'rather human agenda driven and political nature' of this material in a self-evidence for anyone reading this:

    Sometimes the lack of any quotation marks leaves doubt as to where a quotation ends and the narration recommences. Then the translator or editor may misplace the end-quotation mark. There is one spot in the TJ where this appears to have occurred:

    TJ 12:4-5 (4) It is written, however, "Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized." (5) If unbetrothed men and women bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other, they shall be punished also, for those fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized.


    The writing goes on...

    There are countless forgeries and hoaxes claiming to be The Real Bible (instead of the one we normally use, which -- according to the hoaxers -- has been altered and censored by the Popes or the priests).

    Several groups of people have a vested interest in forgeries. Cult weirdos who seek "evidence" for their ideas. Publishers who are out to make money. Exhibitionists who want to become famous by creating a sensation.

    These things follow a pattern: A hoax is published and receives a lot of media attention, not because it has any credibility but because the claims are sensational. After a time it is refuted by scholars and disproved by science. Years later, the same hoax is published again -- sometimes just as a reprint, more often in a subtly altered form. The same sensation reappears in the media, because the refutation has been forgotten. And so it goes on.

    This site is intended as a reference for those who have found mysterious or sensational claims concerning "the Real bible" or manuscript finds with amazing new information. I'm sure you will find most of the answers here. If not, please drop me a line and I'll expand the material.

    Åke Eldberg

    Conversations on the Cosmic Reconfiguration of Symbols and Archetypes Eadress

    A new-found gospel ?

    The "Gospel of Thomas" has been presented in the media as the forgotten gospel which is needed to set straight the message of the New Testament. It is not a bible hoax in the usual sense of the word, but an actual ancient manuscript. However, it is not a real gospel.

    The Church Fathers Hippolytos and Origen knew about a Thomas gospel, the contents of which they did not recognize as genuinely Christian. But the actual book has only existed in fragments since the end of antiquity. In the late 1940s, a complete version was found at Nag Hammadi in southern Egypt. It was part of a library of more than 40 gnostic scriptures. The manuscripts were from the 4th century, copies of older originals.

    Since these scriptures were published and translated, they have been examined by exegetic scholars around the world. The Thomas manuscript is a collection of 114 Jesus utterances. About half of them are similar to utterances in the canonic gospels, but all are slightly different. To some extent, contents and meaning have been altered. The biggest difference to the NT is that there is no narrative material about the life of Jesus. His utterances are given without any reference to when and where they were spoken. Similarly, there are no discussions with Jewish learned men, and all references to the Old Testament are missing.

    There is no trace of the central NT story - Jesus' birth, death on the cross, and resurrection. When the Thomas gospel speaks of the Divine life, it is without reference to the empty tomb of Christ. The document has no interest in the historic Jesus, only the "living Jesus". This transforms him from the saviour of mankind to just a teacher. No admonitions to repentance or conversion are present; everything is about knowledge and spiritual insights.

    Scholars immediately recognized that the Thomas gospel is a gnostic book. Several other manuscripts from the same find even more clearly belong to this philosophy. The differences to the Biblical gospels are so vast that we should not be surprised that this book was not included in the Bible, regardless of its age. There is no evidence for that it was used in regular Church services either.

    Gnosticism has some ideas in common with Christianity. It uses a similar language e.g. in speaking of light and darkness, like the gospel of John. But in its basic approach, gnosticism is completely alien to Christianity. It does not offer faith in a redeemer, only insights into the secrets of life. It regards the material world as completely separate from the spiritual reality, in a way which excludes the Biblical belief in creation. This leads to a morality which either becomes extremely ascetic or completely libertine/hedonist. In the present age when Christianity is being diluted or weakened in the Western world, the gnostic ideas are again on the agenda. The gospel of Thomas fits right in: it presents Jesus as a teacher of wisdom, separated from the time and place where he lived.

    At the core is the question of whether Man needs a saviour, or whether we are able to save ourselves by reaching a sufficient spiritual "level". The former is Christianity, the latter is Gnosticism.

    CAVEAT: Ake Eldberg can be termed a 'conventional' Christian 'Believer', who follows the orthodox understanding of the 'Nag Hammadi' documents. His critique on the genres 'presented' to a underinfomed and 'gullible' undiscerning public by 'Bible Conspirators'{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_conspiracy_theory },

    like D. M. Murdock aka Acharya S, Michael Tsarion, Santos Bonacci, Frank O'Collins, Tony Bushby and many more adherents to 'New Age Logos deniers' and 'Christ mythologizers' {http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_myth_theory },

    as well as more 'mainstream critics' like the 'Jesus Seminar's' Robert M. Price (his critique on the Jmmanuel Talmud is below and is commendable however) and 'theologian' Barbara Thiering and the 'New Atheism' 'religion' with 'followers' like Victor Stenger, Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchins, is excellent and his critique on the gnostic literature in general is good.

    He however fails to analyse the 'literaral genius and uniqueness' of the Gospel of Thomas in just the 'light and darkness' of his own orthodox fashion and tradition.


    Jim Deardorff:

    quotation marks are shown here where the German editions of the TJ have placed them, at least up through its 2001 edition. However, the clause "because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws..." must be where Jmmanuel's words have resumed (...)
    Rev. Ake Eldberg:

    Proves nothing except that Meier made his quote a bit too long for Deardorff's taste.

    The quoted passage is interesting from other points of view though. It speaks of sterilization of women, a surgical procedure which requires opening the abdominal cavity. Such surgery was unknown before the 19th century. This is clearly an anachronism.
    The phrase "bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other" is also an obvious anachronism which reflects the modern idea of "falling in love" as a precondition for sex. An ancient text speaking of careless extramarital sex would simply have said "fornication".

    This should suffice to expose this NABS disinfo, plated by the ufo conspirators and the mainstream Nabs manipulators with the loger clips for the watchers, who can bear quasi academic dispositions of presenting 'relative factual data' in a disseminated form of 'alternative truth'.

    Downloadlink for this 'alternative gospel': http://www.fourwinds10.net/journals/talmud/talmud.pdf

    Many chapters show clear references to a potpourri of the synoptic gospels and the gnostic gospels in the liturgical canon, as well as the Gospel of Thomas. I have exemplified chapter 15, as it addresses the 'Second Coming' of the LogosTwin; who Billy Meier believed of course to be somehow related or identified as his own Pleijadean ancestry, lineage or descendancy.
    But on closer analysis this 'comforting information' as Logos truth within a 'time of false prophets', 'Jesus in the flesh' and 'resurrection deniers' describes the 'remnant of the Logos witnesses' and 'dragon' testifiers rather well.

    An excellent analysis of the entire Meier-Pleiadean hoax is here:



    Chapter 15

    page 59

    The Meaning of The Parables

    1. That same day Jmmanuel went out and walked to the sea, where he sat
    2. Many people gathered around him, so that he stepped into a boat and
    sat down, and all the people stood on the shore.
    3. He talked to them in parables about various things, saying, "Behold, a
    sower went out to sow.
    4. "While he sowed, some seeds fell on the pathway; then the birds came
    and ate them up.
    5. "And some fell on the rocks, where there was not much soil.
    6. "And as the sun rose high, they withered, and because they had no
    roots, they dried out.
    7. "Some fell among the thoms; and the thorns grew up and smothered
    8. "Some fell on good ground and bore fruit, some hundredfold, some
    sixty-fold, some thirty-fold.

    page 60

    9. "Those who have ears, let them hear."
    10. The disciples stepped up to him and said, "Why do you speak in
    parables, when they do not understand your teachings! "
    11. He answered, saying, "It has been given to you to understand the
    secrets of the spirit, but it has not been given to them.
    12. "They certainly hear my words, but they still live and think according
    to the false teachings of their scribes and Pharisees.
    13. "Their consciousness is unknowing and empty, therefore they must
    first learn to live and think.
    14. "What would be better to make them come alive and think, if not
    through speaking in parables?
    15. "Truly, I say to you, life and the knowledge of truth are only valuable
    and good when they are achieved through one's own thinking or through
    the resolving of mysteries that are recounted in parables.
    16. "As yet humans have little knowledge and no insight, and they are not
    yet conscious of the laws of Creation and the power of the spirit.
    17. "First, humans must learn to recognize the truth and thus to live
    according to the laws of Creation, so they may become knowledgeable
    and strong in spirit.
    18. "For to those who have, more will be given so they may have in
    abundance; but from those who have not, from them will be taken what
    they have.
    19. "Therefore, I speak to them in parables, because with seeing eyes they
    do not see, and with hearing ears they do not hear; nor do they
    20. "And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled that says, 'With your
    ears you will hear and not understand; and with open eyes you will see
    and not perceive.'

    page 61

    21. "For these people are stubborn in their minds and endeavours. The
    ears of these humans hear pooriy and their eyes slumber, so they neither
    see with their eyes nor hear with their ears, nor understand with their
    intelligence. Nor do they try to comprehend the truth and the
    acknowledged laws of Creation, although they would thereby attain help
    and knowledge.
    22. "For the people of Israel are unfaithful to the laws of Creation and are
    accursed, and never will they find peace.
    23. "Their blood will be shed, for they constantly transgress against the
    laws of Creation.
    24. "They presume themselves above all humankind as a chosen people
    and thus as a separate race.
    25. "What an evil error and what an evil presumption, for inasmuch as
    Israel was never one people or one race, so it was never a chosen people.
    26. "Unfaithful to the laws of Creation, Israel is a mass of people with an
    inglorious past, characterized by murder and arson.
    27. "Only a few fathers in the masses of these unfaithful have an
    honourable past and a traceable family tree.
    28. "These, however, are not part of the brood of snakes and vipers who
    have pledged themselves to the false Judaic faith,
    29. "to the false beliefs and false teachings they adopted from Moses
    who, in turn, had stolen them from the Egyptians.
    30. "These few fathers are knowers of the truth and of true knowledge,
    and they recognize only the laws of Creation.
    31. "They became rare in this land, however, and so can be counted on
    just one man's hand.
    32. "They are only a few, and no one's eyes may recognize them, and no
    one's ears may hear them.
    33. "But blessed are your eyes, for they see, and your ears, for they hear.
    34. "Truly, I say to you, many prophets and righteous men have wanted
    to see what you see but did not see it, and to hear what you hear but did
    not hear it.

    page 62

    35. "So listen now to the hidden meaning of this parable about the sower:
    36. "If someone hears the word of truth about the spirit and the laws, and
    does not understand it, then the evil one comes and snatehes away what is
    sown in their mind. That is for whom it is sown on the pathway.
    37. "But for whom it is sown on the rocks, that is the one who hears the
    word and promptly accepts it with joy
    38. "But this person has no roots within, so that which is heard cannot
    take hold and grow. Rather, this one is fickle and becomes annoyed when
    misery and persecution arise because of the truth.
    39. "But for whom it is sown among the thorns, that is the one who hears
    the word, but the woes of the worid and the deception of material riches
    smother the truth and the knowledge; thus this one brings forth no fruit.
    40. "But for whom it is sown on good ground, this is the one who accepts
    the word and seeks and finds the truth, so as to be able to live according
    to the laws of truth; thus the fruit is allowed to grow and ripen, bringing
    in a rich harvest. One person bears a hundredfold, another sixty-fold and
    another thirty- fold.
    41. "These are the meanings of the parables, whose secrets must be
    deciphered by the people, in order that they learn to think and develop
    42. "Nevertheless, the path to wisdom and finding the truth is long, as is
    compliance with the laws of Creation, even though these are so obvious."

    The Weeds Among The Good Fruit

    43. But he put before them another parable and said, "The spiritual
    kingdom is like a man who planted good seeds in his field.
    44. "But while he slept, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the
    good seeds and went away.
    45. "As the plantings grew and bore fruit, the weeds also appeared.
    46. "Then the servants came to the sower and said, 'Master, did you not
    sow good seed in your field? Where have the weeds come from?'

    page 63

    47. "He spoke to them, 'An enemy has done this.' Then the servants said,
    'Do you want us to go out and pull up the weeds?'
    48. "He replied, 'No, lest you uproot the good fruit when you pull up the
    49. '"Let both grow together until the harvest, and near harvest time I will
    tell the reapers: First gather the weeds and bind them in bundles, that they
    may be burned and the ashes strewn over the field so that the soil will be
    nourished; but gather the good fruit and stack it for me in my bam.
    50. "For behold:' said Jmmanuel, "both grow side by side, the weeds and
    the good fruit.
    51. "The weeds hinder the good fruit from growing, yet later the weeds
    will become compost and nourish the ground.
    52. "Were it not for the weeds being made into nourishment for the soil,
    the good fruit could not grow, since it needs nourishment."

    The Mustard Seed

    53. He presented the people with another parable, saying, "The spiritual
    kingdom is like a mustard seed that a man took and sowed in his field.
    54. "It is the smallest among the seeds, but when it is grown, it is bigger
    than all the shrubs and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the sky come
    and dwell in its branches.

    The Leaven

    55. He told the people another parable, "The spiritual kingdom is like
    leaven, which a woman took and mixed into three bushels of flour until it
    was thoroughly leavened."
    56. Jmmanuel told the people all of this in parables, and he did not speak
    to them without using parables,
    57. So that what is said through the prophet would be fulfilled, who
    states, "He will open his mouth in parables and will proclaim what has
    been hidden since the beginning of the worid." This was so that people
    might learn from it, find the truth, and recognize and follow the laws.

    page 64

    The Treasure In The Field And The Priceless Pearl

    58. "Those who have ears, let them hear: The spiritual kingdom is like a
    hidden treasure in the field, which a person finds and conceals; and in his
    joy over the discoveiy he goes out and sells eveiy thing he has and buys
    the field.
    59. "Once more, the spiritual kingdom is like a merchant who was
    searching for fine pearls. When he found a precious pearl, he went and
    sold everything he had and bought it.

    The Fish Net

    60. "Again, the spiritual kingdom is like a net that was thrown into the
    sea and caught all manner of fish.
    61. "When it was full, the fishermen pulled it ashore, sat down and sorted
    the good fish into containers, but threw the useless ones away.
    62. "Such is the spiritual kingdom, which rules within humans and whose
    king is the human being itself.
    63. "Pay heed to the parables accordingly, and learn to solve their secrets,
    so that you learn to think and to recognize and follow the laws of
    64. "Have you understood all this?" And they said, "Yes."
    65. Then he said, "Therefore, eveiy scribe who has become a disciple of
    the spiritual knowledge and the spiritual kingdom is like the father of a
    household who retrieves from his treasure the new and the old.

    In Nazareth

    66. It happened that after Jmmanuel had finished these parables, he went
    away from there.
    67. Arriving in his hometown of Nazareth, he taught in the synagogue.
    The people were appalled and they said, "How did he come by such
    wisdom and deeds?
    68. "Is he not the son of Joseph, the carpenter, whose wife became
    pregnant by a guardian angel?

    page 65

    69. "Is not his mother named Maiy?
    70. "Are not his brothers Judas, Joseph, Simeon and Jacob?
    71. "And his sisters, are they not all with us?
    72. "From where does he get all this wisdom and the power for his
    73. So they took offence at him and threatened to turn him over to the
    74. But Jmmanuel spoke, "Nowhere is a prophet valued less than in his
    own country and in his own house. This will prove true for all time, as
    long as humanity has little knowledge and is enslaved by the delusionaiy
    teachings of the scribes and distorters of scripture.
    75. "So it will come true in two times a thousand years, when humans
    have become knowledgeable and thinking, and when my actual
    unfalsified teachings will be revealed anew.
    76. The new prophet of that distant future will not possess as much
    strength and power over evil and sickness.
    77. "But his knowledge will surpass mine, and his revelations about my
    real teachings will shake the foundations of the entire Earth, for in his
    time the world will be inundated by my teachings, as falsified by the
    distorters of the scriptures, and it will be living in false religious cults that
    bring death.
    78. "It will be a time when wars from space begin to threaten, and many
    new gods will seek to rule over the Earth.
    79. "Truly, truly, I say to you, the new prophet will be persecuted not
    only by a wrong-minded people, as will happen to me, but also by the
    whole world and by many deluded religious cults, which will bring forth
    many false prophets.
    80. "Yet, before the end of two times a thousand years the new prophet
    will reveal my unfalsified teachings to small groups, just as I teach the
    wisdom, the knowledge and the laws of the spirit and of Creation to small
    groups of trusted friends and disciples.

    page 66

    81. "Nevertheless, his path will be very difficult and full of obstacles,
    because he will begin his mission in a peace-loving country in the
    North which will be dominated, however, by a strict and false religious
    cult based in scriptural distortions of my teachings.
    82. "Thus I prophesy, and thus it shall be."
    83. And he did not there show great signs of his power, nor did he impart
    his great wisdom because of their disdain for the truth.

    Tonyblue, Tuesday, October 2nd, 2012



    Jim Deardorff, professor and hoax apologist

    Among the more interesting facets of the Talmud Immanuel (see above) is the strong belief that the book has inspired in some people. Retired professor Jim Deardorff has a website dedicated to "scientifically" defending the genuineness of the Talmud Jmmanuel document. Don't be too impressed by his title; Deardorff is a retired professor of Atmospheric Sciences. In relation to ancient documents he is no professor.

    It would not be meaningful to comment on everything at Deardorff's site. The sort of verse-by-verse argumentation that Deardorff uses tends to draw our attention away from the main issues and get us bogged down with details. Therefore, rather than dispute individual claims, I shall concentrate on the basics.

    Deardorff's basic argument

    Deardorff makes an important distinction: we can examine reality with an open mind, or we can decide in advance that certain things are intrinsically impossible. If we assume that space aliens do not exist, or that it is unthinkable that they are in touch with certain select humans beings -- then we have closed minds and will of course not believe any of the claims regarding the TJ document. However, if we examine the document with scientifically open minds and admit that such alien contacts are possible, we will (according to Deardorff) have to admit that the TJ claims are credible. Or (expressed the other way around), the TJ is credible only if intervention by space aliens is a real possibility.

    Difference in the basis of credibility

    At this point we should note that the evidence for the genuineness of the Bible does not presuppose any intervention by God or any other power whose existence cannot be scientifically established. The evidence depends entirely on manuscripts and sources which can be examined by science. If we claim that the Bible is the Word of God, we enter into the realm of religious faith. But the genuineness of the Biblical manuscripts is scientifically examinable regardless of religion.

    The basic counter argument

    The credibility of TJ is based on the statements of a single man, Eduard Meier. Outside of his claims there is not a shred of evidence. His story involves several other people, but on further reading you will find that Meier has taken great care to remove all possibility of examination. All material evidence, all other witnesses, every solid independent fact that could have been subjected to scrutiny, is conveniently unavailable. Meier is certainly not the only person with an amazing story to tell. Thousands around the world tell stories about "flying saucers", abductions by aliens, sightings of Bigfoot, Elvis, angels, or the Loch Ness monster. Dreams that came true, omens and precognitions, telepathy and telekinesis. Such reports of unknown or scientifically unexamined phenomena carry no scientific weight whatsoever.

    Below, Deardorff's text is on the left -- as quoted directly from his website -- and my comments are on the right. (Any text in red in the left column is also mine.)

    Without the originals, as in the case of the Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ), one has only its surviving co-discoverer's word that it had been in the form of scrolls, somewhat crumbly in places despite the resin encasement in which they had been preserved. However, this is much more than scholars have to go on with respect to their studies of the New Testament gospels, for example, for which neither the originals nor their first translations or copies, nor their second copies... exist, and for which of course no eyewitness testimony exists.
    The word of one living person is "much more" than the existing manuscript evidence for the New Testament? Hilarious. For the credibility of the real NT, see under "Has the Bible been censored?" on this site.
    When the TJ scrolls were translated into German during the years between 1963 and 1974, occasional peculiarities within the Aramaic writing found their way into the German text, through having been translated rather literally. These are called Aramaisms. The most definite ones that have come to this investigator's attention are as follows:

    (full text of examples ommitted here)
    Among the examples of Aramaisms presented by Deardorff, we find "fell on their faces", "and not", "if not through", "they, the celestial sons", "A stone will turn into bread", "Amen", and "Behold!" It is irrelevant whether they are real aramaisms or not. But it is very relevant that most of them occur in the New Testament and in ancient apocryphs. Anyone imitating the literary style of the Bible would of course seize upon expressions which are untypical for his own modern language.
    Because there was no punctuation within the ancient texts, it was frequently the custom in Aramaic to alert the reader to the beginning of a quotation through use of an expression like "He answered and said...", with the "said" indicating the start of the quotation.
    This is a type of expression not just found in Aramaic but in many ancient texts from before the invention of puctuation. It is quite frequent in the Bible, and many modern Bible translations have kept the redundant "and said". Of course an imitator would notice this as a characteristic formula, and use it in his forgery.
    Sometimes the lack of any quotation marks leaves doubt as to where a quotation ends and the narration recommences. Then the translator or editor may misplace the end-quotation mark. There is one spot in the TJ where this appears to have occurred:
    TJ 12:4-5 (4) It is written, however, "Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized." (5) If unbetrothed men and women bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other, they shall be punished also, for those fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be castrated or sterilized.
    The quotation marks are shown here where the German editions of the TJ have placed them, at least up through its 2001 edition. However, the clause "because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws..." must be where Jmmanuel's words have resumed (...)
    Proves nothing except that Meier made his quote a bit too long for Deardorff's taste.

    [/color]The quoted passage is interesting from other points of view though. It speaks of sterilization of women, a surgical procedure which requires opening the abdominal cavity. Such surgery was unknown before the 19th century. This is clearly an anachronism.
    The phrase "bed down with one another in disgrace and without loving each other" is also an obvious anachronism which reflects the modern idea of "falling in love" as a precondition for sex. An ancient text speaking of careless extramarital sex would simply have said "fornication".

    Another indication that the original had been an ancient text lacking punctuation is that in many places within the TJ's German text there is a series of three or more nouns, adjectives or verbs in a row, each separated by and ("und") rather than by a comma and a final and.

    A similar clue involving or (the German "oder") occurs at TJ 20:24 and 33:10, where three nouns or prepositional phrases are connected by two or's without use of intervening commas, as in "A or B or C," rather than the modern structure "A, B or C." In Meier's Foreword to the TJ (1978 version, p.8; 1996 version, p. xvi) one may notice that he uses the modern structure.
    The same applies here; these peculiarities are characteristic of non-punctuated text (including NT manuscripts) and have been retained in some translations, which is probably where Meier picked them up.
    Even a brief comparison of the TJ against the Gospel of Matthew discloses that one depends upon the other. The correspondence in order of events and sometimes in wording is too close to permit any other possibility. In comparing them, then, we continually raise the question: Is it more plausible that the writer of Matthew based his text upon the ancient TJ scrolls, or that a 20th-century literary hoaxer based the TJ upon Matthew?

    In these comparisons, the Matthean verse(s) are listed first under "Mt," followed by the parallel or cognate Talmud of Jmmanuel (TJ) verse(s) when the parallels exist. To access those Matthean verses that have received scholarly criticism or question, just click within the Table below. Explanations follow the Table.

    (long table omitted here)
    Deardorff presents a table of parallells where numbers in blue and green color indicate that the Matthew text has received "valid questions and criticisms" from scholars, "to which the TJ is not subject". He then claims that the number of criticized passages in Matthew is greater than the number of criticized passages in "Talmud Immanuel", and takes this as proof that TJ is the original and Matthew the distorted rewrite.

    This is very unscholarly. It's like putting two cars beside each other, subjecting car A (but not car B) to a thorough technical inspection -- and then presenting the examination results of car A as proof that the unexamined car B is better! He digs up "criticism" on passages in Matthew from certain select scholars, but presents no results of similar scholarly examinations of TJ. Probably because there are none; serious scholars wouldn't touch TJ with a ten foot pole.

    In fact, the results of scholarly examination of Matthew indicate the opposite of what Deardorff thinks. The genuine ancient text of Matthew is the result of a complex process where information was gathered from various sources such as the synoptic text and others. What we have today is a collection of Jesus stories and sayings edited together to form a whole. The very fact that it is not the work of a single writer, strengthens the probability that it is not a hoax. A problem-free, polished "biography of Jesus" would have a much higher hoax probability.
    I have tried not to present "invalid" criticisms based only upon assumptions that with hindsight appear to be false, even when they support the TJ's text over the Matthean text. The most common "invalid" assumptions are:

    (a) The supposition that a Matthean verse is non-genuine merely because it or a portion of it is not found in Mark;

    (b) The supposition that

    [Suppositions c through f ommitted]
    Deardorff attempts to make his presentation look more scholarly by discarding a number of suppositions that would seem to support his case. He does not tell us where these suppositions come from and it would be highly surprising of they were the products of 20th century Bible scholars.

    It's clever. He invents some obviously false ideas which (if they were true) whould strengthen his case. Then he discards them to give us an impression of scientific honesty. However, in terms of relevance he might just as well have discarded the supposition that drunkenness is caused by pink elephants.

    He also fails to define what he means by "genuine" in this context.
    To each of the verse/passage comparisons in the table above a probability has been assigned that it could be a hoax, while avoiding the invalid suppositions listed above. Each probability, labeled PHoax, is a fractional value lying between 0 and 1; a value of 0.5 represents complete uncertainty whether the TJ is a hoax or not, judging from the particular verse comparison, a larger value represents probability that it is a hoax, and a smaller value represent probability that it is not a hoax. I estimated probability values to the closest 0.05 only, and have combined them for each Mt-TJ chapter's set of verse comparisons according to the rules for accumulating probabilities.

    (table omitted here)

    What is the resultant probability, then, based on the hypothesis that either the TJ is a hoax constructed from Matthew or that Matthew was constructed out of the TJ, that the entire TJ could be a hoax? Upon accumulating the above odds for the 28 Matthean chapters, one finds the overall chance that the TJ is a hoax to be around 2 x 10-112. This is no misprint.
    Scholars have long debated to what extent the utterances of Jesus in the gospels are genuine quotes, or have been formulated by the gospel writers. The difference is subtle. Let's say that I heard a famous person speak, a few years ago. His words made a lasting impression. Today I write a book about him. I think back and remember a couple of phrases he used. But most of what I remember is the gist of the speech, not the exact words.

    What Jesus says in the gospel of Matthew is probably a mix between real quotes and utterances formulated by the author to capture the gist of what he actually said. But Deardorff makes no allowance for a possibility other than "genuine" or "hoax". In his view, the gospel either reports every word exactly as Jesus said it, or it is an intentional distortion of the truth, designed to deceive readers. This is where he is wrong.

    Moreover, even if the evidence pointed to a serious distortion of Jesus, perpetrated by the gospel writers, this would say nothing whatsoever about the genuineness of the TJ. It would still remain an obvious hoax.

    Further, the probabilities which Deardorff has assigned to the verses of Matthew and TJ are subjective. Let me do my own version of math here, in similar way. Facts and their assigned probabilities for that TJ is a hoax:

    1. The manuscript is not available: 100 zillion
    2. Only one living person has ever seen the manuscript: 100 zillion
    3. It only exists in a modern-language translation, not even a copy exists in the original language: 80 zillion
    4. No real scholar has examined, much less endorsed, the text:: 70 zillion
    5. Translator is unavailavle (dead or never existed): 28 zillion
    6. Only living witness is a professional UFO activist and by "coincidence" the alleged manuscript supports all his UFO ideas: 200 zillion
    7. Conspiracy theories are used to explain away all these shortcomings: 50 zillion

    So there it is, scientifically and mathematically proved: The probability that TJ is genuine is one in 628 zillion. And I'm not even a mathematician! :-)
    The reader is reminded, however, that many scholars exist who insist that Matthew is dependent upon Mark, that a hypothetical document "Q" once existed, that no such thing as the spirit world exists (they haven't studied the past-life, NDE and OBE data), and that UFOs aren't real and associated with extraterrestrials (they haven't studied the UFO phenomenon).
    Scholar's research results (on the sources of NT texts) are here mixed with their personal religious beliefs (denial of the spiritual world) and opinions about UFO phenomena. All of which are lumped together to show how prejudiced they are. By the same logic, we can assume that all scientists who don't believe in a spiritual world or UFOs, will produce false scientific results.

    What Deardorff forgets to say is that his own theories depend on a religious belief in scientifically unproven claims such as telepathy and contacts with space aliens.
    The group of scholars who are best known for their deductions of genuine versus non-genuine Gospel verses is the Jesus Seminar. This group, once larger than 100 scholars, devoted one of their major efforts towards discussing and voting upon the genuineness of Matthew's teaching/discourse verses (see "Voting Records" in Forum 5, No. 1, March 1990). They judged 86% of these 719 Matthean verses to be non-genuine or probably non-genuine.
    The "Jesus Seminar" started with an agenda. Their basic approach was that "Christianity as we know it did not originate with Jesus of Nazareth". Rather, the religion was formed later by Paul and others who assigned to Jesus the role of Messiah. From that basic, pre-conceived assumption, the Jesus Seminar set out to distill from the NT the "real historic Jesus" by stripping away everything that smacked of Christianity.

    They are not the first to attempt this "demythologization" of Jesus. Regardles of whether they are right or wrong, it should be pointed out that the Jesus Seminar represents a radical, extreme position in modern exegetics. NOT a general scholarly consensus of any sort.
    Although this percentage is not so far from what the TJ indicates, this Seminar had few valid clues as to what was genuine and what not, and their batting average in this respect was dismal. They mainly assumed that "Jesus" genuinely spoke only weird or illogical, impractical utterances, such as "Turn the other cheek," "Love your enemies," and the parable of paying the workers in the vineyard the same wage whether they had worked one hour or all day.
    Deardorff finds it incredible that Jesus could have made "weird or illogical, impractical utterances". In other words, a "Jesus utterance" can only be genuine if Deardorff agrees with it. With this fallacious reasoning, Deardorff reveals himself not only as an anti-Christian, but also as a lousy scientist. Whether we agree or not has no scientific value whatsoever in assessing the genuineness of a historical quote.
    The 1992 German version of the Talmud Jmmanuel (TJ) edited by Eduard Meier differs very considerably in detail, though not in substance, from his 1978 German version. For scholarly, investigative reasons, the 1978 TJ may be preferable to the 1992 and later editions. Thus these differences are discussed here. Meier made the alterations at the prompting of one of his Pleiadian ET contactors named Ptaah...
    If there are space aliens around who know the exact wording, we should be able to get a complete version from them, no? Why even bother with trying to prove the TJ manuscript's genuineness when it is not needed for the information?

    Further refutation of Deardorff's claims

    Jim Deardorff has taken issue with my comments on the TJ and has provided more material, two further web pages with about 70,000 characters of text. He repeats untenable arguments which have already been debunked. He draws attention away from the truly critical facts, and focuses on side issues. I will deal with a few things here, but only briefly since I am sure that I'm wasting my breath, or keyboard...

    Deardorff is a typical modern cultist in that he presents an unsubstantiated pseudo-religious belief, but tries to make it out as science. So did Rudolf Steiner (Antroposophy), Mary Baker Eddy (Christian Science), Ron L Hubbard (Scientology) and Maharishi Mahesh Yogi (Transcendental Meditation), among others. In an age when science has surpassed religion as provider of ultimate truths, new cults attempt to sell their message as "science". UFO cultism appeared after the second world war, much to the frustration of all those who were interested in scientifically examining reports of unidentified flying objects. People like George Adamski and Gloria Lee discovered that contacts with aliens was a selling message. It still is.

    Deardorff's text is on the left, mine on the right.

    In my discussion of the letter and attack, I mention that after this attack, U.S. newspapers reported how deplorable the "overkill" was in these June 20-22, 1974 air raids on the U.N. supervised Palestinian refugee camps, and that it was out of all proportion to the stated provocation. This tends to back up Rashid's claim.
    The idea that the Israelis would commit whole regiments in a large-scale attack, cause vast collateral damage and bring upon them intermational and UN condemnations, just to take out one guy, is preposterous.

    It's far more likely that Meier needed to put his fictional character in a violent situation in order to explain how the manuscript was lost. A Palestinian refugee camp would be ideal.
    It should not be surprising that certain top Israeli officials would be in close communication with certain of their top religious leaders, as church and state (synagogue and state) in Israel are of course inseparable.
    Like all conspiracy theorists, Deardorff makes extensive use of unsubstantiated suggestions.

    • "It should not be surprising" but I am indeed surprised because there is no evidence.
    • "It goes without saying" but still it apparently needs to be said because there is no evidence.
    • "Meier was informed..." but no mention about by whom.
    • "From what has been learned" with no reference as to how or from whom.
    • "Top officials" are said to act but we don't learn who or even in what agencies they act.

    The more absurd his claims are, the more likely Deardorff is to insert an "of course" in his text. We are asked to accept at face value a convoluted story where all inconsistencies, all lack of evidence, all unlikely statements are explained away with reference to conspiracies by unidentified government, military and religious authorities. This is not science.
    Meier learned in 1976 that Rashid and his family had been assassinated in that year. It would again be no surprise if that had been accomplished through the Israeli secret service, the Mossad. The assassination occurred in Baghdad, where Rashid and family had fled in 1974. The Mossad is well known for its successful operations.
    Considering the political tensions between Irak and Israel, do you honestly believe that an assasination like this could pass without a major outcry from the Irakis? Even in Irak, you can hardly wipe out a whole family without authorities and/or media taking notice.

    I also notice that two statements have been altered here. First, what has elsewhere been presented as a fact (that Rashid was killed by Israeli agents) is now suddenly just an unsubstantiated suggestion: "it would be no surprise if". Second, instead of just Rashid being assassinated, his whole family was now also killed. Conveniently.
    If Eldberg were to start read the TJ's Foreword more carefully, he would find part of the explanation there, in its front pages. There it states that "The spelling of Jmmanuel with a 'J' is no mistake, for according to the Pleiadians, this name is traced back to their forefathers, who spelled the name Jmmanuel in written language with a 'J'."
    Unlike Deardorff, I prefer to treat manuscripts in a scholarly manner, as documents written by human beings, and without reference to divine intervention. Since neither the existence of God or of space aliens can be scientifically proved, I perform my analysis without taking their possible actions into consideration. In fact, any theory which presupposes the existence of such supernatural or unexamined forces, has no scientific value whatsoever.
    Meier was informed that some time after 1963 the tomb site had been covered over by a rockslide.
    How convenient. It remains that as long as the site has not been identified and examined by archaeologists, its existence must remain pure speculation.
    Meier had earlier been informed, in a contact in 1956, that he would come into the possession of such a document, and that it would be part of his mission to promulgate it. He would not be able to do this if he had dutifully handed the scrolls over to Jordanian officials upon their discovery. So it's not written up in any archaeological records, and no archaeologists were in on the dig or informed about the matter.
    Anyone with the least interest in matters of truth and evidence should realize that documenting a find site is as important as retreiving the finds. You don't just dig a hole and pick up the goods. You shave off the dirt in small increments (ca 4 inches at a time, less when you reach a layer with finds). You draw maps of each new layer you uncover. When a find is made, even if it's just a piece of broken pottery, you draw it onto the map and take a photograph of it where it lies, before removing it.
    After learning from Rashid in 1963 of the essence of some of the TJ's gravest heresies for Judaism and Christianity, both he and Rashid of course realized that if the scrolls were to be turned over to authorities, or even to scholars, it would never see the light of day. So the translation project proceeded in secret, with Rashid to retain possession of the scrolls and Meier to be the recipient of Rashid's German translation.
    As I have pointed out before, there are plenty of ancient manuscript finds with heretical contents which have not been suppressed. There are also quite a few non-religious scholars around who would be delighted to get their hands on an ancient document with anti-Christian or anti-Jewish content.

    If Meier and Rashid had any intention of making their find believable, there still remains no reason for why they did not photograph the scrolls.
    It should be mentioned that a part of Meier's philosophy borrows from that of his ET contactors: People should not be forced to believe what they cannot tolerate, or what they are not at all yet prepared to believe. (The UFO phenomenon has been proceeding under this same guideline.) Hence Semjase at times omitted material from Meier's Contact Reports that had occurred during their conversations, and it is possible that Meier is withholding information that would directly tend to validate the TJ's genuineness.
    So evidence exists but is being kept hidden? Meier wants to present the truth -- but not so that we are forced to believe it? He is deliberately making his case weaker so that there will be room for doubt?

    In other words, Meier does not want rational, scientifically trained people to believe his story. Evidently, he is promoting a cult.
    In Meier's Contact Reports, before 1977, Meier had referred to Rashid as "M. Rashid," to provide him with some anonymity (Rashid being a very common Palestinian name). This was to help protect him and his family from further persecution. Also, in the 1978 TJ he kept him anonymous in the Foreword, though not in the copy of Rashid's 1974 letter published in the rear of the TJ, which he may have attached only after learning of Rashid's assassination in 1976. He has since desired to keep the name of the village anonymous in which Rashid and relatives had lived in Palestine, to protect the latter from possible assassination, as it can be imagined that some of them may have been aware of Rashid's translation project.
    How convenient. Doesn't it strike you as odd that there are so many holes in this story, all of which are covered up with reference to mysterious conspiracies, convenient land slides, conveniently dead people, commands from space aliens and other circumstances which are obviously designed to put all possible evidence safely out of the reach of scholarly and scientific examination?
    From what has been learned, Rashid had been a lay priest in Greece some time before 1948, so I suspect he was never ordained. If Meier knows where he preached in Greece, he is not disclosing that, either, for the same reason, since Rashid's mother and some of her relatives may have lived in that place, and may have been informed of the TJ.
    There is no such thing in Greek Orthodoxy as "lay priests". Laymen who preach might exist, but would need a special permission from the bishop, which means there must be records.
    The answer to all these questions is simple and obvious. The cave, Rashid and the scrolls never existed.

    This conclusion can come only if one's mind is already made up.
    My mind is made up because I have examined Deardorff's evidence and found it to be utter balderdash. All he has managed to do is to systematically present weak excuses for why every piece of real evidence for the TJ is unavailable. In contrast to him, I am using a scientific method which involves asking for evidence. For the TJ, there is NONE.
    After this, Deardorff again writes bout the alleged superior credibility of TJ in comparison with the NT. As before, his evidence is in two parts: Exegetical criticism against the gospel of Matthew, and attempts to prove from the TJ text itself that it is "superior". Both notions have been debunked elsewhere on this site, and there is nothing new in Deardorff's material.

    Further on in Deardorff's text it becomes evident that he believes in other hoaxes, too. Even such which have been examined by scholars and revealed as fakes with no trace of a doubt. I guess that should not come as a surprise.

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    Billy Meier, The Talmud of Jmmanuel

    Reviewed by Robert M. Price

    Delving with the Devil

    This awful book fully merits the epithets used by Edgar J. Goodspeed (in his great book Famous Biblical Hoaxes) for another modern apocryphon, The Archko Volume, namely “disgusting and ridiculous.” Indeed, it takes the prize. There is the usual pack of lies about an underlying Aramaic document being discovered in 1963, imbedded, somehow, in resin since the first century when Jesus’ loyal disciple, a guy named Judas Iscariot, wrote it down. Seems that an improbably named Greek Orthodox priest bearing the moniker “Isa [= Jesus!] Rashid” discovered Jesus’ burial cave, and Eduard Albert “Billy” Meier spelunked further, finding the present gospel. What we are reading represents, we are told with forked tongue in cheek, only the first quarter of the very long text, the rest being destroyed, or so Father Rachid figured, by Israeli troops who were violently pursuing him. (You will recognize the implicit element of uncertainty as a rat-hole through which Billy Meier may eventually squeeze the rest of the text if this portion sells well enough. At least if he can come up with that much baloney.)

    Meier anticipates that the orthodox and the obscurantists will alike denounce his discovery as a hoax (p. xv). Well, let me tell you, you don’t have to be particularly orthodox to denounce this thing as what we theologians like to call Bullgeschichte.

    What does the title mean? “Talmud” is just a Hebrew word referring to a deposit of learning. We are more familiar with its use referring to the massive collection of Rabbinical law, lore, and commentary, the Talmud of Jerusalem and the Talmud of Babylon. So here it just denotes “the teaching of Jmmanuel.” Of whom? Have you ever noticed something strange in Matthew’s Nativity story in which Matthew says Isaiah 7:14 was fulfilled by the advent of baby Jesus, and that though Isaiah says the child will be called “Emmanuel,” in Matthew’s story Jesus is called, well, “Jesus.” That is pretty odd. I’ve never heard a good explanation. But Meier tries to harmonize the two names, producing the weird hybrid “Jmmanuel.” (Why do I keep thinking of pancakes?) Meier says “Jmmanuel” means “man of godly wisdom,” but any Bible reader knows it does not. It means “God with us.” At least “Emmanuel” does, but then I guess if you’re making up a name, you can say it means whatever the hell you want. (For the record, Epiphanius of Salamis did the same thing back in the fourth century, pretending that one spells “Essenes” with a J, too: “Jessenes,” so he could connect Jesus with them.)

    Another improbability about the frame story: how, pray tell, did the mythical Father Rachid “discover” the cave-tomb of Jesus since the book tells us Jesus was buried in the now-notorious tomb in Srinagar, Kashmir? This old structure has been promoted since the nineteenth century as Jesus’ tomb by the Ahmadiyya sect of Islam. Orthodox Muslims believe Jesus was raptured to heaven before the crucifixion, with someone else put to death in Jesus’ place. But the Ahmadiyya believe he was crucified and survived, then left the Holy Land to preach for decades longer, eventually winding up in Kashmir, where he died at a ripe, old age (110 or 120, Jmmanuel says). This site, though fraudulent, is well known. What was there for Rachid to discover?

    And did I really say the book is supposed to be the work of Judas Iscariot? The disciple who betrayed Jesus? No, dear reader, as we soon find out, it was not Judas Iscariot who turned Jesus over to the G-men, but rather the similarly named “Juda Ihariot”! You see, it’s pretty easy to mix up a couple of guys with names that close. This is just unintentionally hilarious!

    Jesus as Ventriloquist Dummy

    The Talmud of Jmmanuel is structurally just the same as other long-winded gospels like The Aquarian Gospel. It builds on a harmony of the four canonical gospels, picking and choosing favorite episodes and elements from them, then adding new bits of its own. The result is a glaring unevenness if quality. Grant me a seeming digression. Scholars have noted a pattern in ancient apocalypses, in which some ancient worthy is depicted as predicting the history of his people from ancient times down to the end of the age. The “predictions” match up with known historical events very well indeed till right near the end, at which point the train leaps from the tracks and careens wildly into the ditch. What happened? Well, of course, the actual author of the document lived at a historical position very close to the end-time his book anticipates. The preceding history matches up because the author knows it as history. He is only pretending to be the ancient character whose name he borrows (Daniel, Enoch, Baruch, whomever). So he has perfect 20-20 hindsight, but when he starts venturing real predictions, it is clear blue sky, and he plummets like Icarus. Well, it’s the same with these gospels: as long as they stay close to their source material, they sound pretty authentic, even if their authors do a bit of embellishing. But as soon as they kick away the training wheels, as soon as they stop using the tracing paper, the result is awful. And it is in the new material, obviously, that we have to look to find the main reason for writing the new gospel. What is the new teaching that this gospel wants to ascribe to its Jesus?

    First, I think it is pathetic that people resort to such a gimmick. It plainly means the writer knows his ideas would carry no particular conviction if set forth under his own, utterly insignificant name, so maybe hanging them on Jesus will lend the ideas a degree of gravity they would otherwise lack. But he fails to see that the only reason we take seriously the words attributed to Jesus in the traditional Gospels is that they carry their own weight. By far the most of it has the ring of truth to it, whoever said it. In fact, that’s how some of it came to be in the gospel in the first place! Someone heard some good saying and said, “Wow! That’s good stuff! Worthy of Jesus!” as when we say, “It ain’t in the Bible but it ought to be!” Believe me, no one is going to find himself saying that of the soporific gibberish (and worse) in this book, which “Billy” dares to equate with the real, true, original teaching of Jesus before the fiendish churchmen, beginning with the nefarious fisherman himself, distorted the living daylights out of it.

    The teaching here is warmed-over Theosophy, but very poorly expressed. We learn that there is a “god” who rules the earth but is essentially a long-lived mortal much like ourselves (16:55-56; 28:59). Above him is the “supreme” entity, called “Creation” (16:52) which sounds something like unchanging Brahman (18:44). But then we are told that it, too, is incomplete and changing (18:43; 21:28) and defers to a still superior being (25:56). It is one without division (21:27), and yet it possesses parts (34:39). But while Billy/Jmmanuel is calling it infinite, he says we are part of it, so that what is true of it is ipso facto true of us, too. And if we tap into that fact by enlightened knowledge, we can do pretty much anything (16:44). That is a prime case of the Division Fallacy in logic: what is true of an entity as a whole is not necessary true in the same way of its parts. I may understand the Theory of General Relativity, but it does not follow from this that my little finger understands Relativity. Anyway, when Peter succeeded momentarily in walking on water it was because he had a fleeting grasp of this “knowledge” and was able to suspend/defy gravity. But what sort of “knowledge” is it that refuses to reckon with elementary physics? It is substituting fantasy and wishful thinking for knowledge. This is all the more ironic since Jmmanuel is always talking about the “laws” of the Creation, which, I guess, do not happen to include gravity!

    So what are we supposed to be doing about it? Well, it is our mission to realize our potential by efforts at self-perfection over the course of many lifetimes. Even Creation (a him? Her? It?) experiences a kind of reincarnation, a series of eons-long periods of dormancy alternating with equal periods of life and activity (34:27-34), all the coin of Theosophy, borrowed from Hinduism. As Pogo once said about nuclear energy, “It ain’t so new, and it ain’t so clear.”


    I’ve borrowed Goodspeed’s put-down of another modern gospel, calling this one “disgusting and ridiculous.” Let’s look first at the “ridiculous” part, because we may be quite out of patience or of any residual sympathy if we look at the “disgusting” aspect first. What’s most ridiculous about The Talmud of Jmmanuel is its espousal of Flying Saucer religion. To get things straight here: I consider it plausible that extra-terrestrials have visited the earth. But the possibility, even the plausibility, of it does not entitle us forthwith to believe it is true. There does not yet appear to be compelling evidence for contact with Flying Saucers. But there sure is plenty of evidence that people who claim to be in regular contact with space men are a bunch of delusional nuts. Nor is it their belief in extra-terrestrial visitors what makes them nuts. No, no, there’s way more than that. Some of these people make wild and extravagant claims that can only proceed from their imagination, at least because they sound like very bad science fiction. And all of this stuff does, from the Black Muslim “Mother Plane” orbiting the earth with Elijah Muhammad in the captain’s chair (so help me, I wish I were making this up), to the Raelian belief that aliens mutated apes to produce the first humans, to Heaven’s Gate lemmings believing a spaceship hidden in a comet’s tail was telling them to castrate themselves, to the Aetherius Society, to Unaria, etc.

    Well, “Billy” Meier belongs in the same ranks. That’s for damn sure. Nursing classic delusions of grandeur, including the persecution complex, Billy predicts his own eventual assassination: “the editor is even more endangered because he is the contact man for extraterrestrial intelligences and very highly developed spiritual entities on exalted planes who transmit to him true spiritual teachings that he disseminates without modification, thereby exposing the lies of the cult religions, which will lead to their slow but certain eradication” (p. xix). The “cult religions” are the major faiths. If this isn’t classic Freudian “projection,” I don’t know what is. Personally, I don’t think the Islamo-fascist mullahs are going to be wasting a fatwah on this guy any time soon, much less the Catholic Church.

    Not surprisingly, The Talmud of Jmmanuel embodies UFO theology. Its Jesus (“Jmmanuel”) is the result of Mary’s impregnation by the angel Gabriel who is an alien arriving in a space ship for their date. Jesus is eventually taken aboard the same craft, much like Brian of Nazareth in the Monty Python movie. When he “ascends” he is stepping aboard the spacecraft, though only for a couple of stops down the line, getting off in Damascus. Why bother with Spielbergianism? Simply because Bill wants to combine the usual props of UFO-Jesus-ism (beam-up ascension) with the Asian travels/Srinagar tomb scenario. He likes ‘em both.

    All science fiction reinterpretation of Christianity, the stock in trade of Flying Saucer religions, entails a dusting off of old eighteenth-century Rationalism: what looked like miracles to the ancients must have been advanced technology, at least as we, their far-superior pseudo-intellectual descendents, imagine it. Such science fiction, too, becomes dated and laughable after a while. And thus UFO theology starts looking even more ridiculous than the supernaturalism it hopes to replace. In this case, the resurrection of Jesus is treated with a technique borrowed from old-time Rationalism rather than its twentieth-century sci-fi counterpart, though. Jesus does not die on the cross, but is taken down in a coma, then placed in Joseph of Arimathea’s tomb, where he is given medical care and recovers. Usually the eighteenth-century Rationalists had Joseph call upon the Essenes to nurse Jesus back to health, but for some reason they are not good enough this time around. The “risen” Jesus actually meets some Essenes later in the story, and they invite him to join their group, but he refuses. (Why does Billy not allow them a more positive role? You’ll see in the next section: the trouble is that they’re Jews.)

    Joseph even somehow contacts Jesus’ colleagues in India and summons them to come and treat him! Would there really have been time for this? I guess Gabriel could have picked them up in his space ship and rushed them into the OR, but then we’d have to wonder why the aliens didn’t just revivify Jmmanuel like Gort did Klaatu in The Day the Earth Stood Still. Well, anyway, Joseph gets away with the scheme, despite Jewish and Roman guards at the tomb because he had taken the precaution of designing his tomb with a hidden back entrance! Why? How could he have known this day would come? It’s all just so stupid.

    Plus, The Talmud of Jmmanuel has its own theory to offer for the Shroud of Turin. It is a shroud on which Joseph of Arimathea had a likeness of Jesus’ bloody body painted! But this nonsense clashes with the Carbon 14 dating test of the Shroud just as much as the Catholic belief in its genuineness: it goes back no earlier than the fourteenth century.

    By the way, the book includes a pen sketch of Jmmanuel that is supposed to be based on an ancient portrait rendered by “Semjase, the pilot of a beamship, whose home planet, Erra in the Pleiades, is about 500 light years from our solar system” (p. viii). Actually, it appears to be based on an ancient Chinese Manichean painting of Jesus, an artist’s conception. “Semjase” is the name of the leader of the fallen angels in the apocryphal Book of Jubilees.

    The Disgusting

    The Talmud of Jmmanuel is blood-curdlingly anti-Semitic. Its appropriation of the familiar Jewish title Talmud is offensive, but that is the least of it. Here are a few choice passages:

    “Do not go into the streets of Israel, and do not go to the scribes and Pharisees, but go to the cities of the Samaritans and to the ignorant in all parts of the world. Go to the unenlightened, the idol worshippers and the ignorant after I have left you, because they do not belong to the house of Israel, which will bring death and bloodshed into the world.” (10:5-6)
    “Truly, I say to you: the nation of Israel was never one distinct people and has at all times lived with murder, robbery and fire. They have acquired this land through ruse and murder in abominable, predatory wars, slaughtering their best friends like wild animals. May the nation of Israel be cursed until the end of the world and never find its peace.” (10:26-27)

    “Therefore, beware of Israel, because it is like an abscess.” (10:38)

    “For the people of Israel are unfaithful to the laws of Creation and are accursed and will never find peace. Their blood will be shed, because they constantly commit outrages against the laws of Creation. They presume themselves above all the human races as a chosen nation and thus as a separate race. What an evil error and what evil presumption, for inasmuch as Israel never was a nation or a race, so it was never a chosen race. Unfaithful to the laws of Creation, Israel is a mass of people with an inglorious past, characterized by murder and arson.” (15:22-26)

    “You will be outcast among the human races, and then you will alternately lose your occupied land, regain it and lose it again until the distant future. Truly, I say to you: your existence will be continual struggle and war, and so the human races will strike you with their hostile thinking and enmity. You will find neither rest nor peace in the country stolen by your ancestors by means of falsehood and deceit, because you will be haunted by your inherited burden of murder with which your forefathers killed the ancient inhabitants of this continent and deprived them of life and property.” (24:45-47)

    “… just like the Israelites who plundered this land and have dominated and oppressed the legitimate owners of the land.” (27:12b)

    “I am the true prophet of all human races on earth: but in all truth I am not the prophet of those confused Israelites who call themselves sons and daughters of Zion.” (30:8b)

    “And the time will come in five times 100 years when you will have to atone for this, when the legitimate owners of the land enslaved by you will begin to rise against you into the distant future. A new man will rise up in this land as a prophet and will rightfully condemn and persecute you and you will have to pay with your blood. […] Even though, according to your claim, he will be a false prophet and you will revile him, he will nevertheless be a true prophet, and he will have great power, and he will have your race persecuted throughout all time in the future. His name will be Mohammed, and his name will bring horror, misery and death to your kind, which you deserve. Truly, truly, I say to you: His name will be written for you with blood, and his hatred against your kind will be endless.” (30:10-11, 13-15)

    What is this? Propaganda for Hamas? Okay, it’s not as bad as the abhorred Theozoologie of the mad monk Jörg Lanz von Liebenfels, but it’s still pretty revolting if you ask me. It appears to be Jew-hating, pro-Palestinian propaganda. What we have here is like the Gentile Jesus of the Third Reich theologians.

    Random Observations

    It seems anticlimactic to scrutinize this miserable travesty further. But it may be worth it after all, in case anything else is needful to discourage any adolescents who may still be interested in it. There are historical errors that would just not b possible in a writing from someone who lived in the period. Jesus is said to be born in the reign of Herod Antipas (2:1). Actually it was Herod the Great. Talmud Jmmanuel 16:9 repeats Mark’s mistake (Mark 6:17), confusing Herod Antipas’ brothers Philip and Herod. (That was an easy mistake to make, even for a contemporary, as Herod Antipas actually had brothers named Herod Philip and just plain Philip). Obviously Jmmanuel is dependent on the canon, hence by no means an ancient document.

    Humble fellow that he is, Billy the Evangelist has Jesus predict him: “Not until two thousand years will an insignificant man come who will recognize my teaching as truth and spread it with great courage” (14:18). See also 15:75-81. But Jesus seems to underestimate just how insignificant the man will prove to be.

    Jesus’ audience in the Nazareth synagogue asks, “Is he not the son of the carpenter, Joseph, whose wife became pregnant by the son of a guardian angel?” “From where does he get all this wisdom and the power for his mighty works?” (15:18, 72). Oh, I don’t know… could it have anything to do with his being the son of an angel?!

    “A prophet is never esteemed less than in his own country and in his own house, which will prove true for all the future, as long as humanity has little knowledge and is enslaved by the false teachings of the scribes and the distorters of true scripture” (15:74). This nonsensical inflation of Mark 6:4 sounds like the rambling, bogus Ezekiel quote Samuel L. Jackson repeats again and again in Pulp Fiction!

    We get a bit of invented soap opera in chapter 16, where it develops that Salome, dancing daughter of Herodias, was in love with the imprisoned John the Baptist and wistfully smooched his severed head.

    Corrections of Canonical Gospel Teachings

    The New Testament gospels set the ethical bar pretty high. From any standopoint, that’s a good thing: set them lower and you are too easy on yourself. If your reach not only does not exceed your grasp, but does not even extend that far, you are just a lazy slob. But The Talmud of Jmmanuel doesn’t mind taking Christian morality down a peg.

    “Give to them who ask of you, if they make their requests in honesty, and turn away from them who want to borrow from you in a deceitful way” (5:42). In accord with the Rabbis, Jesus seems uncritical in his counsel to give to any beggar. The Rabbis were fully aware that there were cheats. In one of their tales, a man passes a hovel of beggars and overhears them deliberating on whether to fest that night on gold or silver dishes! But the sages said that didn’t matter: you could never be sure if someone’s professed need were real. It was up to you to be generous, period. Any other strategy would freeze out the genuine poor for the sake of stopping the cheats. But Jmmanuel seems to think you can tell the sincere sheep from the grafter goats. Good luck.

    Everybody recognizes that, if it comes right down to it, it is noble to give your life for your country and what it stands for. Religious martyrdom is the same, as long as one does not seek it out as some kind of fanatic. In the last analysis, you have to preserve your integrity at whatever price. But not according to this gospel: “Flee from the unbelieving, because you should not lose your life for the sake of truth and knowledge. No law requires that of you, nor is there one that admits to such recklessness” (10:21).

    “No Sabbath is holy and no law dictates that on the sabbath no work may be done” (13:10)—or at least no law that an anti-Semite would take seriously, I guess.

    “You are Peter, and I cannot build my teachings on your rock… I cannot give you the key of the spiritual kingdom, otherwise you would open false locks [=?] and wrong portals with it” (18:23-24). Take that, Papists!

    Jmmanuel saith: “Do not suppose that prayer is necessary, because you will also receive without prayer if your spirit is trained through wisdom” (21:15). And yet Jmmanuel prescribes a prayer:

    “My spirit, you are omnipotent.
    Your name be holy.
    Let your kingdom incarnate itself in me.
    Let your power unfold itself within me, on Earth and in the heavens.
    Give me today my daily bread, so that I may recognize my guilt and the truth.
    And lead me not into temptation and confusion, but deliver me from error.
    For yours is the kingdom within me and the power and the knowledge forever. Amen” (6:12-18)
    But what’s the difference, I guess, since you’d be praying to your own self?

    At first, one might be tempted to think this Talamud of Jmmanuel is a progressive, with-it kind of gospel for the new age: “Do away with the enforcement of the old law that woman should be subject to man, since she is a person like a man, with equal rights and obligations” (12:25). But, Liberals, you may want to shield your eyes from this one. It looks like grief for Gays, though leniency for Lesbians: “And if two men bed down with each other, they should also be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws and behave heretically; thus they should be castrated, expelled and banished before the people. If, however, two women bed down with one another, they should not be punished, because they do not violate life and its laws, since they are not inseminating, but are bearing” (12:6-7). How’s that again?


    The Talmud of Jmmanuel, alas, seems to have plenty of fans. It deserves none. But then, on the other hand, maybe people get the gospel they deserve. Maybe there are some devout UFO skinheads who are ecumenical haters of Jews, Christians, and Muslims. This gospel is just right for them. But even so, a visit to a psychiatrist might be better.


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    Your Raison D'Etre - You Belong to the World and are here to Create a New One

    four things you should know about your calling

    Justine Musk

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    If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you; if you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.

    — Gnostic Gospel of Thomas

    What you fear is an indication of what you seek. — Thomas Merton

    1. You don’t get to choose your calling.

    I guess that’s why it’s called “a calling”. We can’t choose what calls us; we can only listen close – and have the courage to accept what it tells us.

    Callings can be so damn inconvenient.

    They usually arrive as some form of pain.

    They’re an itch, a yearning, a slow deadening of the soul, a restless knowledge that you are meant for something else, if you can only figure out what it is.

    The body knows. Finding your calling can be like that child’s game of hot and cold. When you’re moving away from your calling, the body treats that as – cold! — nothing less than self-betrayal. What you fail to bring forth can destroy you. The body finds some way to break down. You get sick. You get depressed. You get sick and depressed.

    As you move toward your calling – hot! — you get glimmers of something else entirely. A sense of flow and absorption. A flash of joy. A growing excitement.

    My sister once came to a major life crossroads: renew her contract with her current employer or strike out into the unknown territory of new opportunities — and a stretch of unemployment.

    She chose to renew her contract because she thought it was the “responsible” thing to do.

    The morning after she made that decision, she literally could not get out of bed.

    She stayed in bed for four days.

    She took that as a sign to reverse her decision.

    She’s much happier now. (And on a different career track in a different city.)

    2. You can only live out your own calling.

    Your calling stems from your soulprint: like a fingerprint, it is intricate and complex and unique to you. You’re born with it inside you. No one else can give it to you, although some might try — starting with your parents.

    Jung once said: The greatest burden a child must bear is the unlived life of the parents.

    As we grow up, we learn how to please, and we assemble our ‘false self’ accordingly: that collection of ideas and notions and ‘shoulds’: what we should be and how we should act and the goals we should pursue in the world.

    To get at the truth of your calling, you have to crack open that false self and see what lies within.

    You have to recognize the aspects of your life that don’t rightly belong to you, and as a result are weighing you down. You have to take that alien weight and give it back to its proper owner:

    This is yours. I am done with it. I refuse to carry it any longer.

    3. Your gifts point the way to your calling.

    The problem with your gifts is that they generally need to be recognized as gifts by somebody other than you, usually as early as your childhood. Someone else needs to recognize what comes so easily to you that you will grow up taking it completely for granted, thinking that everybody else can do that. Guess what? They can’t.

    I remember online biz wunderkind Laura Roeder talking about how she’d taken an online strengths test that identified her primary strength as ‘focus’.

    “At first I thought that was really stupid,” she said (I am paraphrasing here). “I thought, everybody can do that. What’s so special about that?”

    (Listening to her, I remember feeling envy, because ‘focus’ is not one of my strengths. If anything, I’ve been able to decipher my calling because of how certain activities call forth a focus so intense and consuming I lose time. But in the rest of my life, I have ADD. Literally. I take medication for it.)

    When those gifts are mirrored back to you, you can identify them — and develop them. You can put yourself on the road to mastery. You can own your gifts. You can own the crap out of them.

    You can commit yourself full-out. You can unify your life around the practice of your talent and see what kind of greatness becomes possible for you.

    But you have to have faith in your gift.

    As Stephen Cope points out in his wonderful bookTHE GREAT WORK OF YOUR LIFE : your gift – which he refers to as The Gift – is indestructible. It’s permanent. It doesn’t disappear because you neglected it for forty years — which means it’s never too late to circle back to what you might have missed before. It lives near the center of you.

    But your faith in your gift (The Gift) is something else entirely. Your faith can be tender and fragile and susceptible to doubt.

    Doubt, by the way – and a flashbulb popped off in my head when I learned this – means, at least in terms of your calling, being stuck. It’s “a thought that touches both sides of a dilemma at the same time.”

    It paralyzes you.

    It splits you down the middle and pins you to the floor, unable to take action. Some of us stay there so long, and get so comfortable, that we no longer realize we’re in doubt at all: we think that life is supposed to feel like this.

    4. Your calling is where your gift intersects with the times.

    Our calling is where The Gift that’s inside us from birth connects with The World we’re born into. It’s our responsibility to develop The Gift in the way it’s called forth — to serve The World. Not just ourselves. The freaking world.

    “The Gift”, writes Cope, taking these ideas from the Bhagavad Gita, “cannot reach maturity until it is used in the service of a greater good. In order to ignite the full ardency of [your calling], The Gift must be put in the service of The Times.”

    (You could think of The Gift as your ultimate value proposition, your unique point of awesomeness, the ability that meets a need in a way that sets you apart.)

    Here’s the thing:

    Your life belongs to the world.

    And although the creative process of whatever it is that you do, belongs to you, the final outcome – the fruit of that labor – is not yours. It is beyond you. It belongs to the world.

    You let go and let be.

    (Which gives you greater peace of mind, by the way, which allows you to engage more fully with your process, which puts you in deeper practice, which makes you greater at what you do.)

    Otherwise you live a life trapped in self. You take your self as your mission in life, and this causes suffering – because it isolates you, because the self isn’t big enough for your real yearnings and abilities, because, as Martin Seligman put it, “the self is a poor site for meaning.”

    Cope writes:

    “If you don’t find your work in the world and throw yourself wholeheartedly into it, you will inevitably make yourself your work….You will, in the very best case, dedicate your life to the perfection of your self. To the perfection of your health, intelligence, beauty, home, or even spiritual prowess. And the problem is simply this: This self-dedication is too small a work. It inevitably becomes a prison.”

    Your self can never be enough. Perfection eludes you. You must deal with your aging body, your aging mind, your fading beauty. Even your children will grow up and leave you.

    So you look to the world.

    When you understand that you are the world – when you see the world as your self, and your self as the world – “ you can care for all things.” You live beyond yourself – which also means you can live with purpose, awe and meaning .

    You play your essential part in a much bigger picture. You know how and where you belong.

    “Our actions in expression of [our calling] – my actions, your actions, everyone’s actions – are infinitely important. They connect us to the soul of the world. They create the world. Small as they may appear, they have the power to uphold the essential inner order of the world.”

    In other words, it isn’t selfish – or trivial – or a luxury – to pursue your calling, wherever it might lead you: it’s a sacred obligation. Because, in the end, it isn’t just for you. It’s how you will be of true service.

    When we’re fully engaged, when we’re expressing our gifts, when we’re living a deep sense of mission, when we’re contributing, when we’re being ourselves full-out and on purpose –

    That way lies happiness.

    What you bring forth can save you.

    And if it can save you, it can also save the world.

    If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth will save you; if you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.
    — Gnostic Gospel of Thomas

    Here’s the thing:

    Your life belongs to the world.
    What you bring forth can save you.

    And if it can save you, it can also save the world.

    Oct 5th, 2012
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    I so loved it…Almost brought tears to my eyes..Especially point number 4. Maybe I could associate with this post – because I am at a stage where I just found something in my life that is so liberating, so beautiful – I know I am here for this…

    I’ve also realized something else recently: if we try to find our calling or keep thinking – what is it? – we won’t get it or realize it. If we just pursue what gives us deep happiness and excitement instead – we’ll suddenly find ourselves living our calling..How interesting!
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    Meghashyam Chirravoori
    Oct 5, 2012

    Ever since I got my full manuscript request, I’ve been dealing with the nagging itch that I’m wasting my time at university, and what I should be doing is writing. I’m sure you can probably relate.

    I’ve dealt with that itch before. This happens mostly around mid-terms and finals, which i something I’ve always found partially amusing, but this time it’s different. It’s reinforced by the weight of success.

    I just wanted to drop a line and say thank you for this.
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    Loved this post. <3 It inspired me to write a post about answering my ignored calling and how it's pushing me to do other things, like write my book. I've been struggling with figuring out my calling and coming to grips with the fact that it's not writing the great American novel like I thought it was, but it's loosely related to that.

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    Hi Justine,

    Have you talked about synchronicity before? Synchronicity helps with your #3. And I agree that #4 is important. You call it duty, while I think that it is something natural that follows when one integrates their personal mythology with their cultural mythology. Since I can’t find the email archive where I posted the following 11 years ago to give a link, I just dug up my writing. I hope you don’t mind the longish post from a couple of my lifetimes ago.

    Please allow me to expand further about ‘synchronicity’, however, and maybe I can illuminate the concept.

    The premise in my (and other authors) definition of this ‘synchronicity’ is that an objective value exists irrespective of whether it is acknowledged by the observer, but the meaning appears only when the observer is open to it. One could become mystical here, or not, but in my worldview, I often enjoy discovering meanings to events in my environment, because it gives me feedback or it makes my world richer. But is it my imagination or is it really true, you ask?

    If you view synchronicity as a meaningful coincidence between an external event and an internal readiness for being aware of that event, then synchronicity acts as a bridge to our unconscious mind or, at least, to the very edge of our conscious mind. Why is that?

    The unconscious holds a vast collection of events, hopes, memories, prejudices, values, unknown to the conscious mind. It’s hard work to peel back the layers of the onion, and see what is underneath. But if those unconscious elements are organizing themselves in various ways, then you can reach in and ‘touch’ it, and bring it to awareness. Synchronicity feels a little bit like a “jolt”, because you’ve touched that unconscious element via an occurrence in your external world.

    I think that, in order for synchronicity to work, it requires a deep trust that the messages from your unconscious mind are strong, authentic and move us in the direction of greater wisdom and compassion and wholeness. And it absolutely requires one to be extremely open and aware of our environment, so that we *know* instantly (call it ‘intuition’) that that event/occurrence has importance and we need to pay closer attention to it.

    So then how do we *know* ? That comes from exploring our inner mind/world- a place that I believe is just as vast as the outer world, and any number of self-knowing tools can be used. You can create your own self-knowing tools, or you can pick up and use someone else’s. I watch sometimes what the new agers are doing and using because they are very interested in discovering what is in their psyche, and they have some nifty methods, some of which I find very useful, even if I don’t buy into all of their premises. I like their positive attitudes too. When you explore your inner mind, many fuzzy elements travel to the edge of the awareness, and so then synchronicity brings it all of the way out.

    I believe that there is a deep wisdom in my environment, it only requires me to be aware of it, to look, to probe, to see, to understand. … the environment present around me is also a result of processes in the past, and there is a deep wisdom there, as well. … being in awe of all things *living*; … often the smallest, most inconsequential things in my environment seem to me to be the most profound: footsteps in sand, the smell of garlic and onion, hearing children laughing (or crying), and so on. I believe that the answers (to any questions that we have) are *in us* and *around us*. This is one place where cultural history and mythology can play an important role. Humans have experienced and worked out amazing things, and their intellectual and emotional paths are in front of us, if we *only pay attention*.


    (and sometimes the cause and effect is so deeply buried in the unconscious mind, that one can never learn the answer, but again.. is it really important?)

    Consider this. Let’s take the next step after synchronicity (destiny?) and take a look at our larger environment. Let’s assume that your life is proceeding on a path that seems “right” to you, the individual. Wouldn’t it be really cool too, if your particular path was also beneficial for the world? An alignment of personal and universal purposes, in my opinion is the next level of integration for someone. That is what being filled with the divine is about and I hope that many people here accomplish that. In my small mortal way, I’m trying and doing my best.
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    Amara Graps
    Oct 5, 2012

    the blog software stripped out the ‘begin quote’ and ‘end quote’.. damn formatting. ‘Please allow…’ is where my old text begins.
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    Amara Graps
    Oct 5, 2012

    Justine, I don’t think anybody has ever said this better. It lit up my soul this morning. (And I don’t care how cheesy that sounds.) I would just add that I think one element that is essential to practice in all of this is patience. Especially after you recognize your calling, you can feel a surge of hope and the expectation that you will make a big, meaningful impact in the world very soon through the application of your Gift. But, for many of us, it probably takes a long time before we are able to witness anything approaching the kind of grand visions we may be entertaining for our work. We have to trust that our smaller efforts, day by day, will eventually add up to the greater meaning that we can see, but that others likely cannot. For me, at least, that is where the self-doubt starts to show up.
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    Luke Redd
    Oct 5, 2012

    I sent this off to all my coaching friends and all my friends who are in the ‘ I need to figure out my purpose boat’. You offer wonderful guidelines to feel into ‘your calling’. This is the first time I have ever read anyone explain in clear terms and with no uncertainty that we all have gifts that are ours alone and that we have a responsibility to the rest of the world to share them. I have been saying this for years but have never quite been able to express how to find the gift as clearly as you have. I am deeply grateful for what you have shared! I feel excited about life once more:)
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    Post  Didymos on Wed Oct 10, 2012 7:10 am

    Saturn Returns, Rejuvenation and the Reconfiguration of the Old Universal Seed into a New Cosmic Seed
    [5:10:57 PM- Wednesday, October 10th, 2012 - (+11UCT)]

    Thubanis: It ALMOST was in September 2000 though
    [5:11:47 PM] Thubanis: 3 or 4 days
    [5:12:03 PM] Thubanis: The WOC personalised in Sui
    [5:13:00 PM] Thubanis: Yours is rare, in that you have to wait for the 2nd return to match the birthdata
    [5:13:11 PM] Thubanis: You have a triple in the 2nd
    [5:13:20 PM] Thubanis: The 1st is a lonesome one
    [5:13:37 PM] Thubanis: Kinda like you are feeling
    [5:14:19 PM] Thubanis: Sui also has a loner as the 1st, but a matching one not as an image as in yours
    [5:14:50 PM] Thubanis: Sui's also does not MULTIPLY her exact degree at 1°34' Gemini
    [5:16:00 PM] Thubanis: Then Sui also has a triple at age 59
    [5:16:15 PM] Thubanis: 2030-31
    [5:17:10 PM] Rok: 59 = one step before the grave
    [5:17:19 PM] Rok: really no need for anything at that point
    [5:17:25 PM] Thubanis: Xeia's link gives this approximately, but the ephemeris can specify the dates
    [5:17:30 PM] Rok: if work does not kill u by then....

    [5:17:31 PM] Thubanis: http://www.astrocal.co.uk/saturn-return.php

    [5:17:50 PM] Thubanis: Of course, the cosmic human cycles go in 9s
    [5:18:01 PM] Thubanis: 9-18-27-36-45-
    [5:18:09 PM] Thubanis: 54-63-72-81-90
    [5:18:17 PM] Thubanis: But these are changing now
    [5:19:21 PM] Thubanis: In the greater laws then 54-45 can also be rejuvenation
    [5:19:41 PM] Thubanis: 63-54 becoming like 36-45 getting older
    [5:20:24 PM] Thubanis: 72-63 mapping 27-36
    [5:20:36 PM] Thubanis: 81-72 mirroring 18-27
    [5:20:46 PM] Thubanis: See the Death-Birth in this?
    [5:21:25 PM] Thubanis: The potentiasl is there for starhumans to activate this new physics in a reconfig of the genetic cosmocodes
    [5:21:38 PM] Thubanis: Potential NOT fact as yet
    [5:21:50 PM] Thubanis: Logos choice not human
    [5:44:29 PM] Thubanis: http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t225-quantum-consciousness-as-the-foundation-of-physical-reality#3397
    [5:46:38 PM] Rok: i am eager to see the facts as we close in on the d day
    [5:47:05 PM] Thubanis: What facts?
    [5:47:11 PM] Thubanis: from whom?
    [5:47:42 PM] Rok: [5:21 PM] Thubanis:

    <<< Potential NOT fact as yet

    [5:48:13 PM] Thubanis: Yes, I mean that the 'facts' are nature itself
    [5:48:37 PM] Rok: then i am eager to see an actual change....not just the potential change
    [5:48:45 PM] Thubanis: And depending on HOW nature itself is constructed from its preambular matrix
    [5:49:06 PM] Thubanis: This has little to do with what people believe, even educated ones
    [5:49:31 PM] Thubanis: Well this is the potential
    [5:49:48 PM] Thubanis: Doe nature execute its own laws
    [5:50:19 PM] Thubanis: Law in the highest sense does not mean human constructs but the Logos words
    [5:50:41 PM] Thubanis: All human ideas and theories are approximations
    [5:50:59 PM] Thubanis: So attunement to the Logos is crucial
    [5:51:13 PM] Thubanis: You belong to it
    [5:51:40 PM] Thubanis: as form and physical expression of its own nonphysicality yet emergent
    [5:52:27 PM] Rok: i dont know if i am attuned or not
    [5:52:36 PM] Thubanis: This human global 3d life is very potent, yet ultimately jsut a stepping stone like a seed
    [5:53:00 PM] Rok: i just want a significant change for the better
    [5:53:00 PM] Thubanis: As a seed can you grow and become a tree, simple metaphors like that
    [5:53:30 PM] Thubanis: This change is what renders the potential as a fact in time
    [5:54:09 PM] Thubanis: As a seed you harbour all worlds all the creation inside - as potential new worlds
    [5:55:00 PM] Rok: well as i said...enough potentials...actual change is needed...i want it....hope thst is enough
    [5:55:10 PM] Rok: but i dont want to wait 20yr for it to happen
    [5:55:53 PM] Thubanis:

    (70) Jesus said, "That which you have will save you if you bring it forth from yourselves. That which you do not have within you will kill you if you do not have it within you."

    (71) Jesus said, "I shall destroy this house, and no one will be able to build it [...]."

    [5:56:11 PM] Thubanis: This planet does not have 20 years to 'slowly' change
    [5:56:21 PM] Thubanis: It has not even 5 imo
    [5:56:40 PM] Thubanis: But the imminence will be invisble for now
    [5:56:49 PM] Thubanis: Disclosure NABS
    [5:57:08 PM] Thubanis: Disclosure started in 2004 and accelerated from 2008
    [5:57:23 PM] Thubanis: But it is not as people expect
    [5:57:36 PM] Thubanis: It is metaphysics before physics
    [5:58:14 PM] Thubanis: [5:55 PM] Thubanis:

    <<< (71) Jesus said, "I shall destroy this house, and no one will be able to build it [...].

    "How can anyone say something like that?

    [5:58:36 PM] Thubanis: The House is the entire creation, not some individual thing, some NABS selfcreated timeline etc. etc.
    [5:59:15 PM] Rok: well this creation has to go or be rebuild
    [5:59:22 PM] Thubanis: It means what I said,, the archetypes and the actual laws of the universe CAN and must be reformulated, if the old ones are destroyed
    [5:59:27 PM] Rok: renowated
    [5:59:32 PM] Thubanis: Exactly
    [6:01:41 PM] Thubanis: And AS the LOGOS IS the physical spacetime universe, it CAN indeed redefine ITSELF
    [6:01:58 PM] Thubanis: Under ITS own guidance, not some NABS artists
    [6:02:31 PM] Thubanis: What I mean, with you require Logos resonance, otherwise you cant communicate with IT as yourself
    [6:02:53 PM] Rok: well i cant wait to experience this happening

    [6:03:43 PM] Thubanis: It should become Our experience yes, in these times

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    Post  Didymos on Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:10 pm

    The NABS Deception about the 2012 alignment of the local Sun with Suns in Sirus and the Pleiades (Alcyone)

    [10/15/2012 2:11:07 PM - Monday, October 15th, 2012 - ( 11UCT)]

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    [10/15/2012 3:44:21 PM] melltwo: batshit nuts

    [10/15/2012 3:45:13 PM] Olivia Brandis: Bonacci is very bad news JT and I would not recommend his Nabs at all

    In the video below, disseminated by a NABS moron on the Moabyte forum, Bonacci's non-science is 'embedded' in typical New Age deceptive fashion in the 'love and lighter' verbiage about the obvious 'change in human history and starhuman consciousness'. Santos Bonacci is a musician and should help to enter the 'New World' through his artistic talents and not his misguided and underinformed understanding of cosmology and cosmogony, which has made him a 'false prophet' or 'Nabs guru' of the most intricate order. It has also made him physically ill, mirroring his dis-ease of the mind and soul and akin the 'Nabs groupies' following his misconstructions.

    Thubanis has added an introductory real science video about the dynamics of the universe and this also relates to the misperceptions of the 'spiral dynamics' of Walter Russell and its affiliations with the cosmological quasi-science of Nassim Haramein and the Keshe foundation NABS.

    Caveat: Thubanis does not agree with the skeptical astrophysicist, who posted this video, related to {http://yowcrooks.wordpress.com/tag/brian-cox/ } in general, but fully supports the application of 'scientific reason' by him and the skeptics community.

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    We would say, that we 'like' much material from Nassim Haramein and Walter Russell, but find the antiLogos meanderings of the likes of Tsarion, Maxwell, Bonacci, O'Collins and 'familiars' obnoxious in their 'love and lighter' mode of deceiving and brainwashing the gullible New Agers, apparently unable to discern the 'truth' from the 'lies' and the 'wheat from the chaff'.

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    There currently exists much contention around these topics and, seemingly, much disinformation. The connection between emotions and energy (http://www.earthcalm.ca/index_files/EMF_health_risks.htm ) is well established in the scientific literature. If more energy enters Earth-System it only stands to reason that people across the world will undergo certain types of collective emotional experiences as a result. While the energetic aspect and implications of increased bombardment of the planet by cosmic radiation is understood by scientists to result in genetic changes (http://www.universetoday.com/12253/cancer-rates-rise-and-fall-with-cosmic-rays/) that have been proven to lead to a higher mortality rate, there is little overt discussion of these topics in the mainstream nor is there any indication that such is forthcoming.

    It also seems to be the case that the disinformation campaign has permeated current-day spiritual movements as well. Confused and non-scientific proclamations regarding "photon belts" and "central suns" unnecessarily distort perceptions and take advantage of the unwary. The purported photon belt has been posited to surround the solar system or to be a fixed region of space the Earth is entering, while the star Alcyone is purported to be the galaxy's "central sun". The photon belt theories are based upon the "super-wave (http://www.etheric.com/GalacticCenter/Galactic.html )" concept as developed by Dr. Paul LaViolette describing cosmic ray volleys emanating from the central region of our galaxy. These rays result in measurable impacts upon climate and lifeforms. The Pleiades constellation and Alcyone are in the opposite direction (as measured from Sol-System and Earth's perspective) from the galactic core and Sol-System cannot orbit a star further distant from the galactic core than itself.

    While the Photon Belt idea does hold some credence in that it is based upon a very real and measurable energetic phenomenon, the state of nigh-religious fervor distracting the gullible from the true nature of things remains problematic. The brilliant luminosity and massive physicality of Sagittarius A actually serves to reinforce it's status as candidate for some "central sun" ideal as does its location, while Alcyone and the Pleiades serve only as distractions, literally guiding people's gaze in the opposite direction from Truth.

    Perhaps this state of affairs serves the Establishment in keeping the public relatively unaware of the nature of our world, solar-system, galaxy and universe. As long as people are kept ignorant of the cyclical nature of reality and the proven challenges that arrive like clockwork to overtake and devastate the Earth there will be no uncomfortable questions or mass hysteria. Perhaps it is the state of uncertainty itself which forces governments and science into perhaps unwitting conspiratorial collusion as the paucity of direct evidence and sure knowledge make predictive declarations politically dangerous for individuals and institutions.

    Whatever the case may be, there are some things that are most certainly known and that have a direct bearing upon our world and state of collective consciousness. Being aware of the cyclical nature of reality is fundamental to a general knowledge of how the world works and is a necessary part of any basic education. Taking an holistic view of disparate phenomenon - as done in this article - brings to light some very interesting potentialities for the near and distant future. There are indeed challenges to collective and individual physical, mental and spiritual stability now and to come, to be sure. But the world will not end on December the 21, 2012 despite deliberate and derogatory generalizations characterizing non-mainstream spiritualists by mainstream paradigmatic hitmen.


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    "There's a lot of disinformation out there. So I decided to put together a piece that clarifies the issues for those who are new to them. It's not as difficult as some seem to be trying to make it seem if you just let your imagination go, close your eyes and visualize ...

    Understanding Cosmic Geography: Beyond New Age mythology

    The scientists try really hard to make this difficult for some reason. It's not really apparent to me why this might be so unless there is something dangerous about understanding some very basic truths about Creation. I recently watched a video of a popular NASA astronomer who was intent upon debunking "2012 Doomsday Scenarios". In the process of doing that and attempting to calm fears of the world ending on December 21, 2012, he stated uncategorically that the Earth, viewed from the sun, aligns with the galactic equator twice a year. By making this statement he was telling a fundamental truth. But a truth that is relative and that holds an arguably ancillary relation to the greater cosmic cycles heralded by many systems of knowledge both ancient and new.

    The Earth is currently tilted at an approximately 23.5 degree angle on its axis. This means that the Earth's equator is at an angle to an imaginary line emanating from the sun's center and passing through the center of it and other planets in the solar system. This imaginary line is called the Plane of the Ecliptic. As the Earth travels around the sun during the course of the year at a speed of 18.4 miles per second, this tilt is actually the reason why we have varying seasons as the Arctic and Antarctic circles are exposed to direct sunlight at oppositional times of year. In the Northern Hemisphere, when the summer solstice arrives on June 20th, the Arctic Circle is bathed in sunlight and that region of the planet experiences a 24 hour day, while, in the Southern Hemisphere on the same day, the Antarctic Circle experiences a 24 hour night. It is during the winter and summer solstices during this particular span of years that the Earth is generally aligned with the Galactic Equator. Since we passed through the Galactic Equator - which is a few hundred light years in thickness - 2 million years ago, Sol-System is currently 50 light years above it and well into a potential danger zone .

    Conversations on the Cosmic Reconfiguration of Symbols and Archetypes Precession_equinox
    The 23.5 degree "lean" of the Earth, known as the Axial Tilt, results in the apparent but semi-illusory astronomical phenomenon known as the Precession of the Equinoxes , or, the Great Year. This cycle is an approximately 25,772 year cycle where the stars in the sky seem to apparently move backwards in relation to a position on Earth if seen over the course of this cycle. The Earth precesses, exhibiting a slow, conical movement that causes the stars overhead to circle in a lengthy cycle. For example, the Northern pole star, Polaris, is almost directly over the North Pole (it will be directly over the Pole at about 2100) only for a relatively short while. In time, other stars will be the pole star until such a time in the cycle when Polaris is once again directly over the Pole, indicating the completion of the cycle. 5000 years ago, the star Thuban, in the constellation of Draco was the Pole Star and was designated by the Egyptians as such. In 6,000 years, the Pole Star will be Alderamin in the Cepheus Constellation and in 12,000, it will be near the star Vega, in the Lyra constellation. It has been calculated that the solstice point (the exact center of the sun as viewed from earth) will align with the Galactic Equator circa 2012, which can only occur once in the entire precessional cycle. The exactitude of this particular solstice - as opposed to other, off-centered solstices - is its importance.

    In relation to the position of the Sun, Earth and its cohort of planets comprising the solar system orbit at an approximately 90 degree angle to the Galactic Equator, or the Galactic Plane. The Sun, Sol, is orbiting around a central position that theorists posit contains what might be either a singularity known as a Black Hole or an alternating Black Hole/White Hole complex existing in a configuration measured by what is known as the Kruskal-Szekeres Spacetime Coordinate System that then coalesces into a Schwartzchild Wormhole connecting two universes . The complex interrelationship of these two types of dense energetic agglomerations results in oppositional yin and yang-like actions, with Black Holes drawing in energy and White Holes ejecting energy. According to the model, the two types of energy processing singularities may alternate in space and time in a spiraling, cyclical fashion that results in both Creation and Destruction phases.

    It takes Sol-System approximately 226 million years, moving at a rate of 135 miles per second, to orbit this mysterious central region of the Milky Way galaxy. This time period is known as the Cosmic or Galactic Year and is measured through observations made by the Hubble Telescope fixated upon Sagittarius A, an astronomical radio source which lies upon the border of the Sagittarius and Scorpius constellations very near the center of the galaxy. Since the center of the Milky Way Galaxy has not yet been directly observed - while the idea of at least a singular Black Hole existing at the center of many galaxies is considered a scientific fact - the approximation of the composition of the Galaxy's central region remains subject to relational measurements, hence the designation of Sagittarius A as galactic center by the scientific establishment.

    The planets are of course orbiting the sun throughout this period and do so at an approximately 90 degree angle to the Galactic Equator or Plane as mentioned previously. A significant aspect of the solar system's circumnavigation of the galaxy is the fact that the Sun's ecliptic plane is always oriented toward the Galactic Center which may indicated an established energetic relationship. This possibility adds credence to the insistence upon the alignment of the Earth with the Sun and the

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    Galactic Equator in December of 2012 as being of resonant import. Positions A, B and C in the above image reflect the position of the December Solstice sun 3000 years ago, 1,500 years ago and this year, indicating its location in relation to the Milky Way galaxy. Besides moving towards and away (tidal motion) from the Galactic Center, Sol-System also moves up and down in relation to the Galactic Plane. It takes 64 million years to complete one of these perpendicular oscillations, meaning that Sol-System is above the Galactic Plane for 64 million years and below the Galactic Plane for 64 million years. Also according to the article linked above regarding the potential danger zone above the Galactic Plane, this wave-like motion results in greater and lesser protection from cosmic radiation, exemplified by the Earth's bio-diversity cycle - measured as the time between mass extinctions - which, at 62 million years in duration, almost exactly corresponds to the planet's movement above and below the Galaxy's equator.

    Sol-System and the Earth have passed above the Galactic Plane which has resulted in an increase in cosmic energy bombarding the planet as well as an increased risk of comet strikes. The Sun and other sources of radiation can drastically affect the climate of Earth as well as seismic and volcanic activity. This measured increase of incoming energy may result in a decrease in bio-diversity and a potential mass extinction that may be more related to the movement of the solar system rather than any anthropogenic causes, as may also be the case with global warming as a solar-systemic rather than a purely planetary phenomenon.

    Conversations on the Cosmic Reconfiguration of Symbols and Archetypes Spiral_solar_system_2_for_web1
    There currently exists much contention around these topics and, seemingly, much disinformation. The connection between emotions and energy is well established in the scientific literature. If more energy enters Earth-System it only stands to reason that people across the world will undergo certain types of collective emotional experiences as a result. While the energetic aspect and implications of increased bombardment of the planet by cosmic radiation is understood by scientists to result in genetic changes that have been proven to lead to a higher mortality rate, there is little overt discussion of these topics in the mainstream nor is there any indication that such is forthcoming.

    It also seems to be the case that the disinformation campaign has permeated current-day spiritual movements as well. Confused and non-scientific proclamations regarding "photon belts" and "central suns" unnecessarily distort perceptions and take advantage of the unwary. The purported photon belt has been posited to surround the solar system or to be a fixed region of space the Earth is entering, while the star Alcyone is purported to be the galaxy's "central sun". The photon belt theories are based upon the "super-wave " concept as developed by Dr. Paul LaViolette describing cosmic ray volleys emanating from the central region of our galaxy. These rays result in measurable impacts upon climate and lifeforms. The Pleiades constellation and Alcyone are in the opposite direction (as measured from Sol-System and Earth's perspective) from the galactic core and Sol-System cannot orbit a star further distant from the galactic core than itself.

    While the Photon Belt idea does hold some credence in that it is based upon a very real and measurable energetic phenomenon, the state of nigh-religious fervor distracting the gullible from the true nature of things remains problematic. The brilliant luminosity and massive physicality of Sagittarius A actually serves to reinforce it's status as candidate for some "central sun" ideal as does its location, while Alcyone and the Pleiades serve only as distractions, literally guiding people's gaze in the opposite direction from Truth.

    Perhaps this state of affairs serves the Establishment in keeping the public relatively unaware of the nature of our world, solar-system, galaxy and universe. As long as people are kept ignorant of the cyclical nature of reality and the proven challenges that arrive like clockwork to overtake and devastate the Earth there will be no uncomfortable questions or mass hysteria. Perhaps it is the state of uncertainty itself which forces governments and science into perhaps unwitting conspiratorial collusion as the paucity of direct evidence and sure knowledge make predictive declarations politically dangerous for individuals and institutions.

    Whatever the case may be, there are some things that are most certainly known and that have a direct bearing upon our world and state of collective consciousness. Being aware of the cyclical nature of reality is fundamental to a general knowledge of how the world works and is a necessary part of any basic education. Taking an holistic view of disparate phenomenon - as done in this article - brings to light some very interesting potentialities for the near and distant future. There are indeed challenges to collective and individual physical, mental and spiritual stability now and to come, to be sure. But the world will not end on December the 21, 2012 despite deliberate and derogatory generalizations characterizing non-mainstream spiritualists by mainstream paradigmatic hitmen.

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    It has become quite evident that ancient civilizations had access to planetary, solar systemic and galactic knowledge that far exceeds our current grasp of reality. The oft misinterpreted depictions of the ancient Sumerians, Egyptians, Mayans and other peoples have resulted in the free and uninformed cultural appropriation of systems of measurement and thought foreign to minds of today. The extent to which sound affects the physical world and language mirrors thought and affects the genetic makeup of individuals is a sobering reality-check upon our modern ability to fully understand the seemingly multidimensional nature of polytonal (Eastern, Southern) as opposed to monotonal (Western) languages. However these ancient peoples came by their knowledge of the universe, their insistence upon the cyclical nature of reality and the repeated destruction of civilizations due to cosmic energetic shifts is a consistent theme the world across.

    The culminations of planetary, solar systemic and galactic cycles present opportunities for energetic shifts to peak and then dissipate over time as our solar system and world enter, traverse and then pass new regions of space. How we respond to these energetic changes biologically, mentally and spiritually is, to a large extent, both an individual and a collective endeavor. We must, as a species, become comfortable with the fact that our world must change and that it is beyond our collective ability as a technological species to determine the nature of that change. How we individually relate to the Times and to the coming world can represent deliberate and informed point loci of viral effectiveness within an information-driven network as our knowledge becomes shared with our social groupings and then radiates outwards in a web of ever-increasing awareness.

    There will come a point when it becomes impossible to hide the truth of what is occurring. Concentrating personal attention and focus by seeking truth in an unwavering fashion will in turn hone individual purpose and intention, consolidating psychological and spiritual systems around key aspects of reality pertaining to personal evolution. Knowing the Truth, therefore, is being the Truth. The Truth that must soon pervade the consciousness-oriented meme of our post-modern and pre-apocalyptic collective.

    Chris White a real PTB exposer; honest as the day is long and able to discern the 'robotic trainees' of the 'Echeloners'!

    The video above exposes the 'antithesis' of a so called 'New World New Order', which has 'hijacked and misappropriated this 'Thuban Agenda for the World Logos' in a most deceptive and 'brainwashing' manner, albeit 'prophecied' to become happenstance.
    I ask all prospective readers, potential participators and vistors to allow for some time to watch this 'debunking of the NABS' video. It will then be much easier, to understand and appreciate the 'Thuban Way of Cosmic Life' and the many compositions and descriptions, which can be found and accessed on this website.

    [10/15/2012 3:49:53 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: hmmmm well he was on about the koran for a bit

    [10/15/2012 3:50:05 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: anyway...ya not much time for it really
    [10/15/2012 3:50:46 PM] Michael Toldnes - JT!: just on my own groove as much as i can be
    [10/15/2012 4:01:31 PM] mel: grrooving
    [10/15/2012 4:01:35 PM] mel: on a sunday afternoon
    [10/15/2012 4:01:38 PM] mel: well not really afternoon


    Shiloh found this marvel of a 'ptb expose' and added this to our websites. He is ok, with me sharing it on the old Moabyte forum. The Tsarion NABS is in contraindication with the Brian Cox presentation, but is fully exposed as ptb disinformation for the eyes to see and the ears to hear via the 'NWO telepromtings', evident in Tsarion's 'not so hearty presentation style'. But as said, for the not so 'brainwashed and hijacked' auditory and optical natural equipment.

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    Post  Didymos on Wed Oct 17, 2012 5:38 am

    [2:40:04 AM - Wednesday, October 17th, 2012 -( 11UCT)]

    <<< https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFI6m6Icav4&feature=related

    Zeitgeist REFUTED & DEBUNKED! (Religious Portion)

    {and the 'astro-archaeo-theological' implications as mis(ab)used by 'bible skeptics' and Cosmic Logos deniers}

    Elliott Nesch has taken the time to go through the claims of the Zeitgeist movie and reveal their lies, in the religious portion, one by one. Do you really believe that the Jesus of the Bible has His roots in mythology? Then you are sorely mistaken. If you are open to the TRUTH, then watch this whole video. Elliot's youtube channel is: https://www.youtube.com/ElliottNesch

    Thank You Susan, for this additional expose' of the 'real disinformation peddlers' hiding behind the 'alternative data' labels.
    As you should know, Thuban supports the 'non-religious' part of Zeitgeist, but dismisses its 'misreading' of the Logos related subject matter.
    The overall NWO agenda to hijack the 'New Agers' is however made clear and focuses on the discreditation of a real physical incarnation (and transcension of this same physicality) of the World Logos aka 'Jesus the Christ aka Yeshuah Ben Joseph Bar Thomas Didymos' as the theosophical and astrotheological 'office of the so called Word of God' aka the Cosmogenesis of all Existence across all worlds and dimensions.

    However from October 17th, 2012 the 'agency of the antiLogos' stands exposed as testimony facing the ignorance and the deception of the general populace.

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    Post  Didymos on Fri Nov 09, 2012 7:10 am

    [11:43:08 AM] Ishtara Raven: [Thursday, November 08, 2012 6 PM]
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    it was recorded some time ago...i am not so sure it was recorded some time ago, the premier was last night apparently. The way the show was presented reminded me of that one show where they send people out in an suv to 'investigate' these theories. I can't remember the name of it off hand, but it seems to be a pretty popular series.

    [11:45:55 AM] Ishtara Raven: http://www.history.com/shows/brad-meltzers-decoded/episodes/decoded-season-1
    [11:46:17 AM] Ishtara Raven: found it, the above series seems to be where they got inspiration from
    [11:46:36 AM] Ishtara Raven: their show was very similar to the stuff this guy does with his team
    [11:50:34 AM] Ishtara Raven: anyhow, i just thought it was interesting that they are now on tv, this is a big move to go from grassroots home shot conspiracy videos to national tv. It means there is major money backing these two now and I would expect to see more 'enactments' from them. Seems they are all teaming up with their favorite friends to make money, Hoagland, Wilcock, Bob Dean, Gordon Novel, Brian O' Leary, ect. If you all recall, everyone of these guys were part of their first interviews.

    [11:53:06 AM] Ishtara Raven: and everyone should take note that it was Bill Ryan who first banned Tony off his forum, then of course we got banned from Camelot by Kerry's flunky Tommy. The truth doesn't make money and they never wanted to interview Tony....something to think about.
    [11:54:57 AM] Ishtara Raven: its just absolutely sickening to me that they even made it to prime time tv to spread their BS and fabrications. No true science behind any of their investigations, all speculation. Just goes to show you that people love a good story, factual or not.
    [11:58:18 AM] Ishtara Raven: imo it isn't even a good story, its just a bunch of NABS nit wits who all decided to cash in on the BS and the ptb is allowing and very likely backing this disinformation campaign to run full course. Why? Because they don't want you to even LOOK at the GOT, because they know full well what it is. This is the ptb up to sleight of hand tricks once again. Congratulations to Bill and Kerry for making it into the Bullshit Limelight!!!

    [12:37:41 PM] Ishtara Raven: http://www.goldenmean.info/goldenproof/ Tony take a look at this

    Yes Raven; Dan Winter's work is rather good in 'paving the way' into the new physics of the New World where the present status quo of physics has blended with the metaphysics and finally 'doing away' with those ideas of 'spirituality' being some wishy washy construct of the human mind, caused by 'pattern seeking' as an outcome of the biochemistry of the brain.
    I have always supported Dan Winter's work on the 'Golden Mean of the Ancients' - it is brilliantly inductive and genial, though bordering on confuscation in its presentation at times (much like my own endeavours of the convolutions I would say).

    However Dan's work is still at times 'polluted' by his attempts to unify the '3D old science' with the new hyperscience and his unfamiliarity with the 'Standard Model' in the quantum cosmologies of the micro worlds and the macro worlds crystallize to show this.

    His take on gravity being caused by the Fibonacci numbers is only partially correct and he seeks validation in pure quasi science, say from El Naschie and Nassim Haramein, the latter who similarly does not have a solid basis for his metaphysics in the validated science of the terran history of the 'Natural Sciences'. His 'proton black hole' is similarly correct in a comprehensive sense, but his deductions of his as this eliminating the nuclear force interactions becomes pure bogus and quasi-science. I shall detail the Fibonacci-Alpha Finestructure relationship at the end of this reply to clarify this matter.

    Dan Winter's attempts of verification, using the work of Vladimir Petrusevski on the other hand are excellent and shown below as excerpts from his site you have linked.

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    The actual gravity relationship with the Fibonacci Series is much more intricate and relates to the mapping of the energy spectra between the dimensions.

    In particular, the Alpha Electromagnetic Finestructure is TRANSFORMED as the Golden Mean and this derives from the superstring definitions. Visis's E8x8 hypergeometry also relates to this as exactly this superstring class HE(8x8) aka the Heterotic Supermembrane at a particular Cosmic Ray energy of the 'God-BaaB-Love-AbbA-Dog Photon' at a frequency of 3 thousand million billion trillion Hertz.

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    The Age of the Universe is a Statistical Consequence of its Emerging Self-Consciousness
    The Hubble Oscillation as the Heartbeat of the Cosmos

    A Minimum Displacement Parameter manifesting the Universe in Omnispace reemerges as the Standard Deviation of its Cosmic Wavefunction in Linespace

    When the Universe emerged from the lower dimensional complex plane (or manifold) in 2 dimensions into the third space dimension in the timeinstanton, a 4-dimensional spacetime metric matrix, as measured and observed by the terrestrial researchers, also became manifested.

    A pretemporal parameter, defined in so called Planckian parameters became however transformed from the 'string time' into a 'normal time' of a quasi-space dimension, which could be defined in the ticking of clocks, i.e. the measurement of the 'Duration of Events' as a function of the Lightpath x=ct with displacement x and Time t connected by the invariance of lightspeed 'c'.

    This message shall show how the preBig Bang events, given in the structure of the 'string time' relate to a Minimum Spacetime Configuration and so a minimum possible physical displacement, here called the Planck-Length-Oscillation (or PLO) and also later on as the Strong-Interaction-Constant or SIC. The PLO or SIC is also known as the 'Stoney Length' in the scientific literature (see wiki references below).
    In a sense, this SIC illustrates the so called Principle of Uncertainty of the Heisenberg Matrix (of the ZPE=VPE) and the concepts of the 'Physical Action' in the Planck Constant 'h', always having to exceed a product of measurement parameters, such as: Action=EnergyxTime or Action=MomentumxDisplacement in the observations and the mensurations.

    One might recall the discovery by Ernest Rutherford in 1909 about the internal structure of the atom of physical reality as a great pioneering step forwards from the 'atomism' (from the Greek 'atomos', meaning uncuttable or indivisible); of the antiquity, as say in the elemental essences of the elements of Leucippus and Democritus (fifth century BC).
    The 'atomic worldview' became elaborated upon by Galileo Galilei (1612-Discourse on Floating Bodies ;Redondi 1969.) and Rene Descartes (of the famous cartesian dualism between mind and body) in the 17th century.

    Both Aristotle and Plato rejected atomism in favour for a continuity of elemental essences, later refined by Baruch Spinoza in the 17th century, who proposed the existence of the 'undivisible essence' of the unity between the Descartian mind-body divide as the basic natural order of things.

    A synthesis of the two paradigms began to emerge with the 'corpuscular entity or monad' of Leibnitz, Newton and Boscovich in the 18th century and followed by the post classical natural philosophers, say ending in Einstein, in the quantum theory of the 19th and 20th century.

    In 1897, J. J. Thomson discovered the electron and Lavoisier (1789), Prost (1799) and Dalton (1803) and Mendeleev (1869), constructed the chemical table of the elements from certain conservation laws regarding physical properties and determined by so called electron shells in their basically concentric electron configurations as the basis for all of chemistry.


    A general formula for the MAGIC NUMBERS of nucleonic arrangements in shells is given by the SEps-algorithm in the Unification Polynomial of M-Space in 11D, with M denoting Mother, Mirror, Magic, Membrane, Matrix, Mystery, Inverse W from M for Edward Witten, take your pick:

    ax3+bx2+cx+d=0 and the Feynamn-Path-Integral T(n)+2 sets the mapping of SEps onto Super-SEps as the relative primeness of the Experience-Factors in SEps superparitive to SEps* in extension.
    SEps* in F-Space (Father or Cumrun Vafa in 12D) differs by the Fermat-Identity "2" from SEps in C-Space (Child in 10D) to denote the Union between the binary and decimal systems in: a0+b0=c0=1→2→10. {Details are found in the Francom Adjacency message}.

    Subtracting polynomial f(x) from polynomial f(x+1) for the algebraic identity n3+n+2=0, then gives 3ax2+(3a+2b)x+(a+b+c)=0 and specifying a=1/3 and b=0 and c=5/3 as coefficient solutions.

    TMagicNumbers (n) = n[n2+5]/3 for the primary and secondary series:

    Primary Series: 0,2,6,14,28,50,82,126,184,...
    Secondary Series: 0,2,{2},6,{8},14,{20},28,{42},50,{78},82,{stop command},126,...

    As 50+82=132 > 126; the magic Number for n=7; this Out-of-Order sets a natural limit on the nuclear stability in the generation of the periodic table of the atomic elements as consequence of fundamental principles in the specification of Lead at #82 and Bismuth-209 the last stable isotope at #83. {83=WISDOM=GNOSIS in alphanumerical gematria encodings}.

    The secondary series reflects the Fibonacci mechanism of always adding successive terms as the Experience-Factors in the 'Information gathering parameters'.

    The 2-branes of Helium-4 or alpha particles so become topological surface mappings from M-space into C-space of 4D with the added Calabi-Yau manifolds of 6D as the 'collapsed' or 'conifolded' superstring dimensions of a Conifoldment-Transformation of 3-Tori into a 3-sphere (Poincare's 3-Sphere and Riemann's Complex Sphere); root-reduced as Möbian Klein Bottle Dragon manifold in 2 dimensions.

    The quantum geometry of minimally connected surface topologies is then defoned via the SEps-Identity XY=X+Y=-1=i2=expip=cis{p} and in the 3D cystallisation of Platonic Solids in fivefolded supersymmetry across the Omnispace of the 10-11-12-12/4=1 dimensional continuum.

    We next reduce the atomic scaling to its intrinsic superstring dimension in deriving the Wavefunction of the Omniverse as a Summation of particular and potentially Individualised Seedling Universes. The Universe of the C-Space so is defined as a Protoverse and the Seed of all Seeds potentially emerging from it as phaseshifted multiverses. A minimum of Seed+Phaseshift so constitutes a Multiverse within the Omniverse.

    Renormalising the wavefunction B(n)={2e/hA}exp[-Alpha.T(n)] about the Functional Riemann-Bound FRB=-½ as maximum ordinate, defines a probability y2.dV for observing a multidimensional universe in some coordinate system characterised by a dimensionless cycletime n, however finstructured in the inverse proportionality between a linear time t and its inverse as a frequency count f=1/t.

    The Cosmic Wavefunction is the following Differential Equation:

    dB/dT + αB(n) = 0; α=alpha being the Electromagnetic Finestructure as the probability of light-matter interaction (~1/137).

    This has a solution: B(n) = Bo.exp[-α.T(n)];

    Bo=2e/hA from QR boundary conditions defining:

    T(n)=n(n+1) as the Feynman Path-Summation of particular histories under the pentagonal supersymmetry given in the identity:

    XY=X+Y=-1=i2=exp[iπ] and lim[n→X]{T(n)}=1

    This allows the Normalisation of the [Y]2 wavefunction to sum to unity in
    B(n)=2e/hA).exp[-α.n(n+1)] with Functional Riemann Bound FRB=-½, centred on the interval [Y,...-1,...-X,...-1/2,...(X-1),...0,...X].

    Interval [Y,-1] sets F-Space; interval [-1,0] sets M-Space with uncertainty interval [-X,(X-1)] and interval [0,n) sets the C-Space, encompassing OmniSpace.

    n<0 is imaginary as real reflection of real n>0 of the C-Space, metrically defined at the coordinate n=0 mapping n=nps, which is the instanton tps=fss=1/fps.

    Cycletime n is defined in GR as dimensionless Tau-Time in curvature radius Rc=c.dτ/dt for the pathlength of x=ct and become dn/dt=Ho, n=Hot in QR, with Ho the nodal HubbleConstant defined in c=HoRmaxps.fps.

    The Feynman Path so sums both negative and positive integers as:
    -n...-3.-2.- =T(n) in absolute value to double the infinities as the entropy reversal of lightpath x=c.t=(-c)(-t) in the Möbius Property of the 4 worlds as outlined in the Machian Momentum Paper.

    Cantor Cardinality Aleph-Null is thus Unitised in Aleph-All, counting infinities as if they were integers of the Feynman Path.

    This allows the Feynman interpretation of Quantum Mechanics as alternative to the formulations of Schrödinger (fermions 1/2 spin) and Klein-Gordon (bosons of integer spin) as timeindependent and timedependent (free particle form inconsistent with SR in Schrödinger in 1st order t & 2nd order x), formulations respectively.

    The units of B(n) are 1/J, that is Inverse Energy, with A2 an algorithmic constant defining Current-Squared and 2e/h the Josephson Constant in Amperes/Joules.

    B(n) as the universal cosmic wavefunction describes the universe as a potentially infinite collection of 'frozen' wormhole- eigenstates at n=0.

    The timeinstanton 'unfreezes' one such eigenstate and activates the protoverse as discussed in the Machian Momentum Paper.
    This then allows the 'Mappings' of the C-Space 'real time n>0' from the F-Space of the 'imaginary time n<-1' under utility of the M-Space interval as 'mirror-space'.

    QR unifies electromagnetic and gravitational finestructures in F-Space using the Planck-Length-Oscillation LP.√α=e/c2 from the subtimespace.

    This yields the decisive mapping for the B(n):
    Coulomb Charge e= LP.√α.c2 ↔2Re.c2=e* (StarCoulomb Charge)

    But the StarCoulomb is Inverse Energy by definition of the vibratory part of the modular dual heterotic supermembrane HE(8x8)=EpsEss.


    mP is the Planck-Mass and Go is the initiatory Gravitational Constant, defined in the FineStructure-Relation, which defines the Planck-Length-Oscillation in the unification of electromagnetic interactions with those of gravitational permittivity:

    Go=4πεo=1/30c with dimensionless c-ether constant [c]unified.

    As Quantum Relativity is defined in the charge mappings between the OmniSpace dimensions; F maps magnetocharges e* onto electrocharges e under agency of the 11D-Witten Mirror, which is a Onesided Surface möbian connecting 10D to 12D.
    The all encompassing source energy quantum is the Eps-Gauge Boson, which manifests as the Gauge mediator for the four elemental interactions, suppressing the weak interaction in a primary triplicity however to allow the Higgs Restmass Induction mechanism to proceed in the defining qualities of the Unified Field of Quantum Relativity (UFoQR).

    The Gamma Function (defining the factorial function), is defined for all n, except nonpositive integers as:

    G(n)=∫0{e-t.tn-1} dt = │0.1-e-∞│ + ∫0{e-t(n-1).tn-2} dt = 0 + (n-1).G(n-1) by partial integration ∫udv=uv-∫vdu with v=-e-t & dv/dt=e-t & u=tn-1 & du/dt=(n-1)tn-2

    But G(1)=∫0{e-t} dt = ∫0d{-e-t} = │e0-e-∞│=1-0=1

    Therefore, the Gamma Function defines the Factorial Function (here for positive integers):


    If we change variables in the Gamma Function in t=u2 with dt=2u.du;

    G(n) = ∫02u.exp{-u2}.u2n-2 du = 2.∫0u2n-1exp{-u2} du = 2.∫0.exp{-u2} du = ½√p for n=½

    The Integral ∫-∞exp{-r2} dr = ∫-∞exp-{x2+y2} dA = ∫-∞.∫-∞exp-{x2+y2} dx.dy = (∫-∞exp{-x2} dx).(∫-∞exp{-y2} dy)=(∫-∞exp{-x2}dx)2 =
    2p0.∫0exp{-r2}r.dr.dq = 2p.∫0exp{-r2}.r.dr = 2p.∫0-∞-½.exp{u}du = p{e0-0}=p(1-0) = p for u=-r2 with du=-2r.dr

    Therefore: ∫-∞exp{-x2}dx = 2.∫0exp{-x2}dx = √p and

    0exp{-x2}dx = ½√p = G(½)

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    A graph of ƒ(x) = exp{−x2} and the area between the function and the x-axis, which is equal to √p. Dark blue is less than one standard deviation from the mean. For the normal distribution, this accounts for about 68% of the set, while two standard deviations from the mean (medium and dark blue) account for about 95%, and three standard deviations (light, medium, and dark blue) account for about 99.7%.

    A Gaussian Function is defined in: f(x) = a.exp{-[x-b]2/2c2} for some constants a,b,c and then for substitution Z=(x-b)/c√2 with dz=1/c√2.dx

    -∞exp{-z2} dz = ∫-∞exp{-(x-b)2/2c2.(1/c√2) dx = √p and for the integral to be 1, a must be 1/c√(2p) and letting b=m and c=s: a=1/s√(2p)


    The Gaussian Normal Distribution (Bell Curve), is defined as: f(x)=(1/s√(2p)).exp{-(x-m)2/2s2} with a 'Standard Deviation' s=√Variance and a 'Mean' m.

    The transformation Z=(x-m)/s normalises f(x) to f(Z) with a Mean of m=0 and a Standard Deviation s=1 for the Standard Normal Distribution Curve:
    -∞exp{-½z2} dz = √(2p)

    Comparing this to the B(n) one defines: B(n)=(2e/hA).exp{-alpha.[(n+½)22]}=(2e/hA).exp{¼.alpha}.exp{-(n+½)2/(1/alpha)} with a mean m=-½ and a variance of s2=1/2alpha and so a standard deviation s=1/√(2alpha)

    The B(n) is gaussian with the leading coefficient a={(2e/hA)exp[¼alpha]} for

    -∞exp{-½Z2} dz = √(2p)

    -∞exp{-½{[n+½]/(1/√2alpha)}2}.√2alpha dn = √(2p)

    √(alpha/p)∫-∞exp{-½([n+½].√2alpha)2} dn = 1

    √(alpha/p)∫-∞exp{-alpha.(n+½)2} dn = 1 so satisfies our renormalisation requirements for: ∫-∞exp{-½Z2} dZ = √(2p) with Z=√2alpha.(n+½) and dZ/dn=√2alpha and for the string-brane Alpha=60pe2/h = 1/137.04707... for √alpha = 0.08542... for 1/√alpha = 11.70671... Mean=FRB=m½ and Standard Deviation s=1/√(2alpha) = 8.27789...

    Z=1s=1 for n= -½ ± 1/√2alpha = (-8.7779; 7.7779) for two 34.13% (68.26% total) intervals in (negative) F-Space and (positive) C-Space respectively

    Z=2s=2 for n= -½ ± 2/√2alpha = (-17.0558; 16.0558), for two 47.72% (95.44% total) intervals in (negative) F-Space and (positive) C-Space respectively

    Z=3s=3 for n= -½ ± 3/√2alpha = (-25.3337; 24.3337), for two 49.87% (99.74% total) intervals in (negative) F-Space and (positive) C-Space respectively

    For the 10-dimensional C-Space: n=[0 X ∞ ):
    for n=0, Z=½√2alpha=0.06040... and Area=0.0241 or 2.41%
    for n=X, Z=½√10alpha=0.13506... and Area=0.0537 or 5.37%
    for n→∞, Z→∞ for the Area to be 50% or half of Unity as per the standard normal distribution calculus
    The C-Space encompasses a total of 0.5000-0.0241=0.4759 and so 47.59% of the total multiverse distribution

    For the 11-dimensional M-Space: n=[-1 -½ 0]:
    for n=0, Z=½√2alpha=0.06040... and Area=0.0241 or 2.41%
    for n=FRB=-½, Z=0 for the wavefunction maximum at B(-½)=exp{¼alpha}...and Area=0
    for n=-1, Z=-½√2alpha=-0.06040... and Area=0.0241 or 2.41% as the Image Symmetry for n=0

    The M-Space to encompasses an Area of 0.0482 or 4.82% of the 12-dimensional omniversal multiverse distribution

    For the 12-dimensional F-Space: n=(-∞ -Y -1]
    for n=-1, Z=-½√2alpha=-0.06040... and Area=0.0241 or 2.41% as the Image Symmetry for n=0
    for n=-Y, Z=-½√10alpha=-0.13506... and Area=0.0537 or 5.37% as the Image Symmetry for n=X
    for n→-∞, Z→-∞ for the Area to be 50% or half of Unity as per the standard normal distribution calculus
    The F-Space encompasses a total of 0.5000-0.0241=0.4759 and so 47.59% of the total multiverse distribution

    The probability of finding the FRB-fluctuation for the interval [-X,X-1] in volume element dV as the Heisenbergian Uncertainty fluctuation in the ZPE/VPE string matrix so is 4.82%.
    This volume element defines the dimensional intersection from C-space into F-space via the Mirror M-space in the topological mapping of the Complex Riemann C -Space about the Riemann Pole as the Calabi Yau Superstring space in 10 dimensions.

    The fundamental partnership between the F-Space in nimaginary and C-Space in nreal is described in redefining the volume element dV in Linespace of the real cycletime nreal=Hot by the preBig Bang string-membrane physics of the complex plane in 2 dimensions.

    The multidimensional 'mapping' between F-Space and C-Space is given by the mathematical properties of the magnetocharge e* in F-Space and the electrocharge e in C-Space:

    Coulomb Electro-Charge-Quantum = 'e' = LPlanck.c2.√(Alpha) c2(2Re) = 'e*' = Membrane Magneto-Charge-Quantum

    The Planck-Length is defined as:
    LPlanck = √(Goh/2pc3)

    for a Planck-Time in the Lightpath: LPlanck=cTPlanck in

    TPlanck=LPlanck/c = √(Goh/2pc5) = 2.0896x10-35 m*/(3x108 (ms-1)* = 6.9653x10-44 s* in string units

    The PLO or SIC relates the concept of the higher dimensional magnetocharge as the electrocharge e in the Stoney Unit e/c2=√alpha.LPlanck and the lower dimensional electrocharge relates the higher dimensional magnetocharge as Inverse SourceSink Energy Eps=1/e*=hfps to the Classical Electron scale in 2Re=DiameterElectron=e*/c2.

    The Stoney Units accentuate the Electromagnetic Nature of the Universe and so the Electromagnetic Finestructure Alpha dominates in preference to the dominance of Planck's Constant 'h' in the standard Planck Units. This is referenced in the quoted links following.
    The 'mystery' as to the nature of the higher dimensional string-membrane theories is however 'solved' in a cosmology, which allows the concept of mass content and inertia to become an emergent property from a precursive noninertial energy matrix, such as given in the postulates of Quantum Relativity.
    Here a massless 'Goldstone Gauge Bosonic' Universe of Gravita is gravitational in the Equivalence of the gravitational energy of the magneto- or colour charged bosonic photon to the inertial fermionic mass-coupled 'particle', say an electron or a nucleon.

    As all Coulomb charges in the electric lower dimensional universe are always coupled to particles carrying mass, such as fusion protons in stars like the sun; The electrocharge 'e' can be stipulated to have a higher dimensional precursor in the magnetocharge e* and where this magnetocharge remains independent from the existence of the lower dimensional inertia.
    The notion of the colour charge in quantum chromodynamics, the study and analysis of the subatomic nature of physical reality, can so be stipulated to relate to the magnetocharge in a hierarchy of 'particle families', which correspond and communicate to each other across the dimensions.

    In the F-Space of the magnetocharge, the standard photon of the electrocharge inertia-associations of the C-Space so is 'colour charged' with distinct 'particle-antiparticle' definitions; whilst in the lower dimensional manifesto, the standard photon is not colour charged and so can be its own antiparticle in the taxonomy.
    From those elementary definitions, the mass focused cosmologies can be revisited and the particle families can become redefined, with say the neutrino-antineutrino weak parity violations found to illuminate the stated postulates of Quantum Relativity or QR.

    The string-membrane definitions for the electromagnetic dominant cosmology of QR calculates the n=npresent coordinate as a MAT=Mean-Alignment-Time calibration to midnight, November 4th, 1996, local time (+11 Hours UCT/GMT).
    This MAT then defines the C-Space coordinate from the beginning of M-Space and so gives a value for the Age of the Universe in C-Space, i.e. the time since the string epoch from the Planck-Time ended in the string classes and the so called Quantum Big Bang, also here and elsewhere termed as the Weyl Membrane SourceSink Eprimary source or Eps as half of the Weyl-Oscillator EpsEss for ss=sinksource or secondary source.
    One can also name the supermembrane EpsEss as the Little Serpent Abba-Baab or the Prime Creator-Secondary Creation or some other god-antigod dyad from the F-Space of the Omniverse from the Void=Eternity becoming a cosmogony of Unity and Oneness, experiencing its own potential for separatedness as a cosmology.

    The electromagnetic true age of the universe as a protoversal seedling multiverse, so is calculated as npresent=tuniverse=npresent/Ho=19.111x109 'years' = 6.03079...x1017 seconds.

    Rewriting the mapping equation between higher D 'e*' and lower D 'e' as:

    1/c2=LPlanck√Alpha/e = 2Re/e* = 1.1111111.x10-17=1/9x1016

    e*=2Rec2 and e=LPlanck.c2.√Alpha; both have units of Volume/Time2 however and 1/t2=df/dt as the timedifferential for frequeny f=1/t and for a period T=1/2pf for an angular radius-independent velocity w=2pf.
    The latter defines the quantum spin in quantum mechanics as the angular momentum basis of h/2p.

    Quantum Relativity defines the timedifferential for frequancy as the Awareness Quantum: alphaomega=aw=│df/dt│maximum=│lim(fps-0)/(fss-0)│=│fps2│=│1/e*h│2 because of the modular duality between Eps and Ess in the coupling constants of Eps.Ess=h2 and Eps/Ess=fps2.

    The awareness quantum alphaomega=aw=│fps2│=│1/e*h│2=9x1060 then describes the Permutation count of the Planck-Time to yield the Electromagnetic True Age of the Universe (ETAU) as a simple summation of Planck times as the Integral of time over the history of the physical universe in Linespacetime:

    ETAU = TPlanck.alphaomega= √(Goh/2pc5)aw=√(Go/2pc5h3e4*)=6.26877...x1017 seconds or about 19.864..Billion years (or 19.864 Gigayears or Gy with a civil year of 365.2425 mean solar days) in string units (*).

    The ETAU, differing from the MAT in a factor 19.111/19.864=0.962 or by 3.8% so indicates that the omniverse would reach the potential for maximum self awareness 19.864 billion years after its emergence from the Void of Eternity.
    This gives a time period of about 753 million years from the present Mean-Alignment-Time.

    In adjusting the maximum alphaomega from awmax=9x1060 to awpresent=8.658x1060 then aligns the Planck-Time count to the MAT.

    Considering the Variance of the B(n) in the statistical distribution as a function of probability densities; a reassignment of the Standard Deviation for the present time would likewise adjust the ETAU to the MAT.

    The PLO=SIC=Stoney-Length modifies the Planck-Time by the factor of √Alpha=0.08542 in the Lightpath LPlanck=cTPlanck decreasing from 2.0896x10-35 m* to 1.785x10-36 m* and this reduces TPlanck to 5.95x10-45 s* by the factor of 0.08542=1/11.707. This represents a PrePlanckian quasitime as the minimum time parameter in the minimum spacetime configuration.
    Using this quasitime for the alphaomega would then reduce the ETAU to 0.08542(19.864 Gy)=1.697 Gy and so n/10 or 10% of a Hubble halfbeat.

    The Integral: ∫-∞exp{-x2}dx = 2.∫0exp{-x2}dx = √p and the Standard Deviation for this integral would be s=√Alpha=0.08542 about a renormalised mean m=0

    Generally, for some constant a, the Gaussian Integral is: ∫-∞exp{-ax2}dx = √(p/a) and for a=1.0395=1/0.962, the adjusted sadj=√(0.962Alpha)~0.08378=1/11.936.

    The B(n) is realised in any arbitrary spacetime in 'unfreezing' the M-Space 'stuck' in between the (-Y,X) coordinates as the roots and solutions of the Euler Identity X+Y=XY=-1=i2=eip and so in a sense in between the real cycletime nreal=Hot and the imaginary cycletime ni=nimaginary.
    B(n) is assigned B(npresent)=(ek)SI/(ek)* for the calibration between some measurement system, characteristic for some galactic civilisation (here a Terrestrial System Internationale or SI) and a cosmic one (where the mensuration units are integer based, such as 'c'=3x108 and 'h'=1/15x1032 and 'k'=1/15x1618 and remaining independent on physical measurement as the output from particular algorithmic data encodings as input.


    Therefore: exp{-alphaT(npresent)}=(hA/2e)(0.9753909..)=0.98253415.. and -alpha.T(npresent)=ln(0.98253415..)=-0.017620177.. and T(npresent)=(137.047072..)0.017620177..=2.414793...

    The value for the cycletimes n are therefore obtained in the solution of the quadratic:
    npresent2+npresent - 2.414793.. = 0 for roots:
    npresent = -½ ± 1.632419 for nreal=1.132419.. and nimaginary=-2.132419..

    So tpresent=npresent/Ho=nMAT/Ho=6.03079x1017 seconds in real C-Space time and for Ho=c/RHubble=c/Rmaximum for the 11-dimensional seedling protoversal Hubble-Horizon of 1.59767545...x1026 meters* or 16.876 Billion Lightyears as the n=1 coordinate of the 'Hubble Oscillation' as the 'Heartbeat of the Cosmos'.

    The imaginary F-Space time ni=Hoti so gives an Imaginary and shadowed Electromagnetic Age of the Universe in EIAU=ti=ni/Ho=1.13564x1018 s* or 35.987 Billion Years.

    The 'Unfreezing' of M-Space then allows the singularity-algorithm of the Cosmo-Genesis to manifest in what might be termed the sex-chromosomes of a cosmic DNA encoding from F-Space. This then defines a new physical quantity, termed 'Awareness' as the time differential for frequency and defines 'Consciousness' as a direct consequence from the defining qualities of the magnetocharges as a proprty of spacial awareness deriving from the occupancy of that 'space' as a quantisation of the minimum spacetime configuration defined in F-Space and mirrored in the M-Space and manifesting in mass parametric and inertia associated qualities in the C-Space in a holofractal and holographic omniverse.

    The concept of 'Life' is born and emerges from magnetopolic self inductions of quantum geometric entities defined from superbranes macrocrystallizing via C-L-Factor couplings given in the cosmo-DNA as electropolic self capacitances and magnetopolic self inductances.

    The purpose of the superbranial self replication on ever increasing scales of the modular duality between sourcesinks (White Holed Cosmic FatherMothers) and sinksources (Black Holed Cosmic MotherFathers), is to establish the multiversal holographic nestings of the smallest minimum spacetime configuration (as the Wormhole or Einstein-Rosen Bridge of the PLO) within the largest (the Omniverse as a collection of a potentially infinite number of Multiverses, all however as phaseshifts of the Seedling Protoverse) - as the cosmogenetic beginning of it all as the 'naked singularity' of the Genesis Boson, aka the Abba-Baab selfdual master template of creation.

    Stoney Units

    In physics, the Stoney units form a system of units named after the Irish physicist George Johnstone Stoney, who first proposed them in 1881. They are the first historical example of natural units, i.e. units of measurement designed so that certain fundamental physical constants serve as base units. The set of constants that Stoney used as base units is the following:
    Elementary charge, e;
    Speed of light in a vacuum, c;
    Gravitational constant, G;
    Coulomb constant, 1/(4πε0).

    This means the numerical values, in terms of Stoney units, of all these constants equal one:
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    Stoney's set of base units is similar to the one used in Planck units, proposed independently by Planck thirty years later, but Planck replaced the elementary charge with the Planck constant. In Stoney units, the numerical value of Planck's constant is not 1, but is
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    where α is the fine-structure constant. Planck units are more commonly used than Stoney units in modern physics, especially quantum gravity (including string theory). Rarely, Planck units are referred to as Planck-Stoney units.


    George Stoney was one of the first scientists to understand that electric charge was quantized; from this quantization he deduced the units that are now named after him. James G. O’Hara pointed out in 1974 that Stoney’s derived estimate of the unit of charge, 10−20 ampere-second, was 1⁄16 of the modern value of the charge of the electron. The reason is that Stoney used the approximated value of 1018 for the number of molecules presented in one cubic millimetre of gas at standard temperature and pressure. Using the modern values for Avogadro’s number 6.0238×1023 and for the volume of a gram-molecule (at s.t.p.) of 22.4146×106 mm3, the modern value is 2.687×1016, instead of Stoney's 1018.

    Stoney units and Planck units

    The Stoney length and the Stoney energy, collectively called the Stoney scale, are not far from the Planck length and the Planck energy, the Planck scale. The Stoney scale and the Planck scale are the length and energy scales at which quantum processes and gravity occur together. At these scales, a unified theory of physics is thus required. The only notable attempt to construct such a theory from the Stoney scale was that of H. Weyl, who associated a gravitational unit of charge with the Stoney length and who appears to have inspired Dirac’s fascination with the large number hypothesis[10]. Since then, the Stoney scale has been largely neglected in the development of modern physics, although it is occasionally discussed to this day. The Planck scale is valid for all known interactions, and does not give prominence to the electromagnetic interaction, as the Stoney scale does.


    George Johnstone Stoney
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    George Johnstone Stoney, 1826–1911

    George Johnstone Stoney (15 February 1826 – 5 July 1911) was an Anglo-Irish physicist. He is most famous for introducing the term electron as the "fundamental unit quantity of electricity". He had introduced the concept, though not the word, as early as 1874 and 1881, and the word came in 1891. He published around 75 scientific papers during his lifetime.

    Education and employment positions

    Stoney was born at Oakley Park, near Birr, County Offaly, in the Irish Midlands, in an old-established Anglo-Irish family. He attended Trinity College, Dublin, graduating with a B.A. in 1848. From 1848 to 1852 he worked as an astronomy assistant to William Parsons, 3rd Earl of Rosse at Birr Castle, County Offaly, where Parsons had built the world's largest telescope, the 72-inch Leviathan of Parsonstown. Simultaneously Stoney continued to study physics and mathematics and was awarded an M.A. by Trinity College Dublin in 1852.

    From 1852 to 1857 he was professor of physics at Queen's College Galway. From 1857 to 1882 he was employed as Secretary of the Queen's University of Ireland, an administrative job based in Dublin. In the early 1880s he moved to the post of superintendent of Civil Service Examinations in Ireland, a post he held until his retirement in 1893. In that year, he took up residence in London. Stoney died in 1911 at his home in Notting Hill, London. During his decades of non-scientific employment responsibilities in Dublin, Stoney continued to do scientific research on his own. He also served for decades as honorary secretary and then vice-president of the Royal Dublin Society, a scientific society modelled after the Royal Society of London, and after his move to London Stoney served on the council of that society too. Additionally he intermittently served on scientific review committees of the British Association for the Advancement of Science from the early 1860s on.

    Stoney's scientific output

    Stoney published seventy-five scientific papers in a variety of journals, but chiefly in the journals of the Royal Dublin Society. He made significant contributions to cosmic physics and to the theory of gases. He estimated the number of molecules in a cubic millimetre of gas, at room temperature and pressure, from data obtained from the kinetic theory of gases. Stoney's most important scientific work was the conception and calculation of the magnitude of the "atom of electricity". In 1891, he proposed the term 'electron' to describe the fundamental unit of electrical charge, and his contributions to research in this area laid the foundations for the eventual discovery of the particle by J.J. Thomson in 1897.

    He was elected a Fellow of the Royal Society in June 1861 on the basis of being the author of papers on "The Propagation of Waves," – "On the Rings seen in Fibrous Specimens of Calc Spar," and Molecular Physics, published in the Transactions of the Royal Irish Academy, et cetera, Distinguished for his acquaintance with the science of Astronomy & General Physics.

    The Stoney scale

    Contemporary physics has settled on the Planck scale as the most suitable scale for a unified theory. The Planck scale was, however, anticipated by George Stoney. Like Planck after him, Stoney realized that large-scale effects such as gravity and small-scale effects such as electromagnetism naturally imply an intermediate scale where physical differences might be rationalized. This intermediate scale comprises units (Stoney scale units) of mass, length, time etc., yet mass is the cornerstone.

    The Stoney mass mS (expressed in contemporary terms):
    Conversations on the Cosmic Reconfiguration of Symbols and Archetypes Stoney3

    where ε0 is the permittivity of free space, e is the elementary charge and G is the gravitational constant, and where α is the fine-structure constant and mP is the Planck mass.

    Like the Planck scale, the Stoney scale functions as a symmetrical link between microcosmic and macrocosmic processes in general and yet it appears uniquely oriented towards the unification of electromagnetism and gravity . Thus for example whereas the Planck length is the mean square root of the reduced Compton wavelength and half the gravitational radius of any mass, the Stoney length is the mean square root of the 'electromagnetic radius' (see Classical electron radius) and half the gravitational radius of any mass, m:
    Conversations on the Cosmic Reconfiguration of Symbols and Archetypes Stoney4
    Conversations on the Cosmic Reconfiguration of Symbols and Archetypes Stoney5

    Under the Unification Identity between Gravitation and Electromagnetism in their gauged and dimensionless finestructures in QR, namely G=4pe0 and so the Stoney-Length reduces to e/c2=√Alpha.LPlanck and so harmonizes the Planck Units with the Stoney Units.

    where Conversations on the Cosmic Reconfiguration of Symbols and Archetypes Stoney6 is the reduced Planck's constant and c is the speed of light. It should be noted however that these are only mathematical constructs since there must be some practical limit to how small a length can get. If the Stoney length is the minimum length then either a body's electromagnetic radius or its half gravitational radius is a physical impossibility, since one of these must be smaller than the Stoney length. If Planck length is the minimum then either a body's reduced Compton wavelength or its half gravitational radius is a physical impossibility since one of these must be smaller than the Planck length. Moreover, the Stoney length and Planck length cannot both be the minimum length.

    According to contemporary convention, Planck scale is the scale of vacuum energy, below which space and time do not retain any physical significance. This prescription mandates a general neglect of the Stoney scale within the scientific community today. Previous to this mandate, Hermann Weyl made a notable attempt to construct a unified theory by associating a gravitational unit of charge with the Stoney length. Weyl's theory led to significant mathematical innovations but his theory is generally thought to lack physical significance.


    The woman Stoney married was one of his cousins. They had two sons and three daughters. For most of his decades in Dublin, Stoney resided in the Dundrum, Dublin neighbourhood. The street that he lived on was later re-named Stoney Road in his memory. After Stoney died in London, his cremated ashes were buried in Dundrum, Dublin.

    One of Stoney's sons, George Gerald Stoney, was a scientist. But a more scientifically notable relative was Stoney's nephew, the Dublin-based physicist George FitzGerald (1851–1901). Stoney and FitzGerald were in regular communication on scientific matters. In addition, on political matters, both Stoney and FitzGearld were active opponents of the Irish Home Rule Movement. In their political opinion, the spirit of Irish Home Rule and later Irish nationalism was contrary to the spirit of science. Stoney resigned from his job as Secretary of Queen's University of Ireland in 1882 in objection to a government decision to introduce "sectarianism" into the system; i.e., Stoney wanted to keep the system non-denominational, but the government acceded to Irish Catholic demands for Catholic institutions.

    Craters on Mars and the Moon are named in his honour.


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    X=½(√5-1)=0.618033..... and Y=-(X+1)=-½(√5+1)=-1.618033...

    -X(X-1)=0.236067... in analogue to X(X+1)=1=T(n) and XY=X+Y=-1=i2 as the complex origin.

    But 0.236067..=X3, so defining the 'New Unity' as #3=Alpha and the precursive unity as the Cuberoot of Alpha or as # in the symmetry #:#3 = SNI:EMI = Strong Nuclear Interaction Strength { ElectroMagnetic Interaction Strength.

    The Strong-Interaction-Constant SIC=√Alpha=√e2/2eohc=√(60pe2/h) in standard and in string units, reduces the SNI finestructure constant # by a factor Alpha1/6. that is in the sixth root of alpha and so relates the SIC at the post quantisation level as # to the prequantum epoch as SIC=√Alpha=#3/2.

    The SNI is therefore so 11.7 times weaker at the XL-Boson 'Grand-Unification-Time' SEW.G of heterotic superstring class HO(32), than at the EpsEss timeinstantenuity S.EW.G of the superstring of the Quantum Big Bang in heterotic class HE(8x8) {this is the stringclass of Visi in the group theories}.
    This then is the Bosonic Gauge Coupling between superstrings HO(32) and HE(8x8).

    The coupling between superstrings IIA (ECosmic and manifesting the cosmic rays as superstring decay products) and IIB (Magnetic Monopole) derives directly from the B(n), with B(n=0)=Jo=2e/hA = 0,9927298 1/J* or 6.2705x109 GeV* and representative of the ECosmic stringclass and the superhigh energy resonances in the cosmic ray spectrum, bounded in the monopolic resonance limit of 2.7x1016 GeV*.

    1-Jo=0.00727021 approximates rg/r10c2=4/550=0.007272... approximates Alpha at n=nps.

    The Unity of the SNI transforms to [1-X]=X2 and the EMI transforms as the Interaction of Invariance from X to X.
    The Weak Nuclear Interaction or WNI as X2 becomes [1+X]=1/X and the Gravitational Interaction or GI transforms as X3 transforms to [2+X]=1/X2 by MODULAR SYMMETRY between X and Alpha and the encompassing Unification Unity: [1-X][X][1+X][2+X] = 1.

    This Unification Polynomial U(u)=u4+2u3-u2-2u+1 = 0 then has minimum roots (as quartic solutions) at the Phi=X and the Golden Mean Y=-(1+X).

    This sets the coupling between SNI and EMI as X; the coupling between EMI and WNI becomes X2 and the coupling between WNI and GI then is again X.
    The general Force-Interaction-Ratio so is: SNI:EMI:WNI:GI = #:#3:#18:#54.

    This is the generalisation for the cubic transform: x→x3 with the Alpha-Unity squaring in the functionality of the WNI and defining G-Alpha as Alpha18 in the Planck-Mass trasforming in string bosonic reduction to a basic fundamental nucleonic mass (proton and neutrons as up-down quark conglomerates and sufficient to construct a physical universe of measurement and observation):

    mc=mplanck Alpha9 from the electromagnetic string unification with gravitation in the two dimensionless finestructures:

    For Gravitational Mass Charge from higher D Magnetic Charge: 1=2pG.mplanck2/hc

    For Electromagnetic Coulomb Charge as lower D Electric Charge: Alpha=2pke2/hc

    Alpha as the universal masterconstant of creation, then becomes defined via the Riemann Analysis from XY=i2 definition, reflecting in modulation in the statistical renormalisation of the B(n) as the probability distributions in quantum wave mechanics however.U(u) has its maximum at u=-½=FRB for U(-½)=25/16=(5/4)2 for the B(n) supersymmetry.

    The derivation of the HBRMI draws upon this definition process and sets the coupling angle as arcsin(X/@) for a Unitary 'Force' @=(#fG).cfpsE-Alpha/Alpha and with the electron mass replacing the fundamental nucleonmass mc in the definition of E-Alpha.

    A little bit of a 'heavy going' for the mathophobic readership and I realise the complexities and the jargon used is unfamiliar to most readers, not accustomed with some major scientific labelings and nomenclature. And there is NO NEED for you or anyone perusing this data, to understand its details. But I put this here, so you can see a way in which the 'Sacred Geometry' is intrinsic to the workings of the universe.

    The 'sacred geometry' so is indeed not some aesthetic invention of the Greeks or some metaphysical ancestors, but can be called the 'tools and patterns' used by Mother Nature herself. This I have attempted to illustrate here with some foundations of the 'Dragon Omni-Science' also known as 'Quantum Relativity' and so building upon the postulates and premises of both Special Relativity of the microworlds and the General Relativity of the macrocosmos, building upon Newton's classical mechanics and Maxwell's classical electromagnetism, building upon the natural philosophers of antiquity and so on and on to the Logos and the Sophia of all the Worlds.

    And btw, you will not find this information in any mainstream or alternative media.
    It is, as I have claimed from the beginning on the old PA forum, which I joined on December 25th, 2009; unique as a Thuban data stream.
    I have published a number of papers, such as this one on the nature of Physical Consciousness
    http://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/article/viewFile/128/137 and http://jcer.com/index.php/jcj/issue/view/11.

    As it appears, that the site, where this paper is published, has gone 'commercial' and to allow continued free access, also here on this forum at
    http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t2692-physical-consciousness-in-a-selfconscious-quantum-universe, and at the Thuban homesites:
    Physical Consciousness in a Selfconscious Quantum Universe and

    But this information is for a New World in its Cocoon and not for the Old World, which still dominates the present paradigms of the existence of the collective human groupmind and trapped in its own delusions about the nature and purpose of its own cosmic selfhood.
    The first page of this link defines the basic formulations - in the Fibonacci Series X+Y=XY=-1.


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    Post  Didymos on Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:37 am

    [3:11:19 PM] Thubanis: Try to watch this to gain a different and more informed perspective dear Andrea
    [3:32:10 PM] Thubanis: Caveat Andrea: I do NOT endorse all particulars, this critical presenter bases his own 'belief structure' on; but overall he has discerned the NWO antiagenda rather well

    [3:44:11 PM] Thubanis: The debunkers notion about the 'Nature of Lucifer' in particular is rather limited and in requirement of revision. For a deeper database study the Nag Hammadi scrolls of Egypt (1945-1948) in say the Apocryphon of John. But as said, his filtering the deeper agendas from the external wishy washy is excellent.

    [4:18:01 PM] Thubanis: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knNjbWKwz8E


    [4:25:38 PM] Thubanis: [4:22 PM] Thubanis:

    <<< I once visited a forum founded and run by Acharya S. It was populated by about a dozen of her non-thinking True Believers, and most were base-ignorant and incapable of rational thought processes.

    When I showed them that MANY of their concepts ( not just Acharya's nonsense about Egypt and religions ) was pure rubbish, Acharya simply blocked me from the forum. So, along with her many other negative traits, she also loves censorship...as long as she does the censoring.

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    Acharya S. merely regurgitates info that was published long ago - nothing new, nothing original. When pressed about her sources, she ALWAYS envokes a victimology "poor little old me, I'm so hounded, persectuted, destroyed!"

    She's a low-level crank like Bill Cooper, Jordan Maxwell, Loyd Pye, etc., and no one in their right mind and capable of reason would pay any attention to her or her work.

    By the way, I'm not a Christer, nor do I care about Christianity or Christians in the least. But, if...

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    Caesar's Messiah: Rome Invented Jesus, New Doc Claims

    http://www.villagevoice.com/2012-09-26/film/caesar-s-messiah-rome-invented-jesus-new-doc-claims/#livefyre]Comments (1) By http://www.villagevoice.com/authors/edmund-newton]Edmund Newton - Wednesday, Sep 26 2012

    Those were trying times for Rome. Nero, the last of the Julio-Claudian Caesars and a big spender with a reputedly homicidal temper, was on the throne. Stories abound of how he attempted to poison his mother, kicked one of his wives to death, and personally ordered the upside-down crucifixion of St. Peter. Lies and half-truths, most of those tales, but stuff like that sticks. More important, Nero’s Roman Empire was going broke.

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    While Rome simmered, http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Palestine/]Palestine cooked. The Jews loathed the Romans. They didn’t want statues of Roman emperors in their temples, didn’t want to pay taxes to prop up the empire, and, most of all, didn't want http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Render unto Caesar
    Caesar's emissaries making claims on their promised land. And they were recklessly brave in battle. Hot rebellion was in the air.

    Through all that, a loose cannon of a prophet was reportedly roaming through the Judean war zone, preaching pacifism and spouting profundities like, “Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s.”

    That’s the situation, more or less, that http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Joseph Atwill/]Joseph Atwill describes at the beginning of Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus, the new documentary movie based on Atwill’s book of the same name. (The film screens at Laemmle Music Hall 3 staring September 28 and is available for sale at Atwill's website, caesarsmessiah.com.)

    The wandering prophet was, of course, http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Jesus Christ/]Jesus Christ. Atwill, a self-taught biblical scholar, contends that not only was there no historical figure of that name, but also the legends that accumulated around him were actually created by the Romans as a way of pacifying the Jews. The evidence is overwhelming, he says.

    The http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Dead Sea Scrolls/]Dead Sea Scrolls, ancient Jewish texts discovered in caves in http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Israel/]Israel in 1947, give a different picture than the idyllic first century Holy Land of the Gospels. From year one, there were battles and confrontations between the Romans and the Jews, the Scrolls note, and there was no turning of the other cheek by the likes of rebel leader Judah of http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Galilee/]Galilee. And there was nary a mention in the Scrolls of the peaceable prophet Jesus Christ.

    “This is where I came into Christian scholarship,” says Atwill, 63, an investor who lives by the proceeds of a dot-com sell off in the 1990s. “There was supposedly this character, http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Invent Jesus/]Jesus, wandering around in Galilee. Nobody knew anything about him. Galilee is only 30 miles long. Jesus and other historical figures of the time would have known each other.”

    Atwill, an admittedly bookish man, dived in headfirst, digging out whatever historical records he could find, studying the Scrolls, and reading Roman accounts, notably that of a family member of the Flavian dynasty of Caesars named http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Gospels Josephus/]Josephus. He found no historical Jesus in any of those writings. But there were some uncanny connections between the story of Jesus as told in the Gospels and the family of Roman emperors who took power after Nero was forced to commit suicide following a coup d’état.

    The movie spells out an intriguing scenario of creative deception by the Romans: Sometime in the mid 70s AD, Atwill suggests, Greco-Roman intellectuals wrote the now-well-known stories—in Greek, not the popular Aramaic of the Judaic populace—about the Jewish messiah who defied the Judaic traditions of militancy to preach a sweet, accommodationist message. The legends began to take hold in the decades that followed. The illiterate peasants of the time couldn't read them, of course. But preachers preached it—preachers who were given the red-carpet treatment by Roman authorities.

    What about all those Christians being fed to the lions in the colosseum? True enough, Atwill says. Only the victims weren’t followers of Jesus but militant Jews who, as believers in a messiah, or christos in Greek, qualified as “Christians” and earned the ire of the Caesars.

    Atwill and other scholars maintain that the Romans were ingenious in pulling off the pacifist hoax, so useful to the ruthless men who administered the Roman empire. They were able to “create a type of Judaism that was benign,” says one commentator.

    The Romans even got in a plug for the godlike qualities of the bloody Roman general and soon-to-be Caesar Flavius Titus. It was http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Caesar Flavius Titus/]Titus who led the Romans against the Jews in the war of 66 to 73, crushing the towns of Galilee, laying siege to http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Jerusalem/]Jerusalem, and ultimately razing the Jewish temple there. Encoded in the Gospels, Atwill contends, are multiple references to Titus, establishing a direct connection between the emperor and Jesus. Reading the Gospels along with Josephus’s Wars of the Jews, the parallels are striking. There are dual encounters, addresses to followers, random incidents, “all these little weird parallels,” Atwill says. They all took place in the same locations, often using the same words, but 40 years apart. Thus, Jesus recruits two fishermen on the shore of the http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Sea of Galilee/]Sea of Galilee and says, “I will make you fishers of men.” At the same spot 40 years later, Josephus describes the Romans in a sea battle, catching rebels from a capsized boat with their spears, like fishermen hooking fish.


    Atwill says the writers of the Gospels used a literary device called “typology”—“a genre of literature that the ancient Hebrews used”—employing parallels to elicit hidden messages and to suggest the circularity of history and the value of prophecy. But the Romans did it as a joke on the Jews, Atwill says. Introducing themes from Titus’s life into the Gospels, leaving an indelible imprint, like watermarks on paper, was the Romans’ way of leaving their signature, he says.

    What motivated them? “They were the vainest people who ever lived,” Atwill says. “They wanted to make sure that posterity knew they had subdued the Jews through a fake religion.


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    Some of this has been explored by other scholars. http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/Robert Eisenman/
    Robert Eisenman, professor of religion at http://www.villagevoice.com/related/to/California State University-Long Beach California State University, Long Beach, one of the participants in the movie, says he was long familiar with the practice of “overwriting” texts, “people taking texts and writing over them.” He himself suggested, in his 1997 book, James the Brother of Jesus, that the Gospels had been written over to give them a “pro-Roman slant.”

    In uncovering the Titus connection, “Atwill may have carried it a step farther,” Eisenman says.

    Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus

    By Geoff Berkshire

    An Nlightning WorkZ presentation. Directed, edited by Fritz Heede. Written by Nijole Sparkis, Joseph Atwill.

    With: Joseph Atwill. Narrator: Nijole Sparkis.

    According to "Caesar's Messiah," Jesus Christ is an entirely fictional character and the New Testament is nothing but pro-Roman, anti-Semitic propaganda. That's quite a provocative premise for such a didactic, monotonous and unconvincing documentary. One doesn't have to be a true believer to find the film's craftsmanship laughable, creating an unavoidable obstacle to taking any of its convoluted conspiracy theories seriously. Pic has been playing scattered theatrical dates.
    A breathless narrator desperately tries to establish how explosive the ensuing talking-head theories are ("Some of our Bible scholars are mavericks working outside the restrictions of mainstream religious institutions!"), but aside from primary interviewee Joseph Atwill's unwavering conviction that the gospels were self-servingly written by members of the Roman Flavian dynasty, there's nothing all that unusual or unexpected here. If everything weren't so plainly humorless, it would be easy to mistake the film for a satirical interview package on "The Daily Show." The crux of the argument: Since Christianity has been used to justify wars (cue gratuitous image of former President George W. Bush) and refute science, it's important to understand its fictional foundations. The allegation needs a better advocate than this.

    Camera (color, HD), Marisa Maldonado, Heede; music, Heede. Reviewed online, West Hollywood, Oct. 4, 2012. Running time: 83 MIN.

    Contact the Variety newsroom at news@variety.com

    Joseph Atwill's, Caesar’s Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus
    Ulysses Press, 2005
    Reviewed by Robert M. Price

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    The controversial thesis of this book is that Christianity began as the opium of the Jewish people, mixed and prescribed for them by the crafty Flavian dynasty. Vespasian, Titus, and Domitian had had their fill of militant Zealotry and Sicariism. They could not bend the Jewish nationalists to their will even after a destructive war that leveled the temple of their God. No amount of torture could make Jewish prisoners deny their faith and call Caesar not only their salad but also their lord. And so Titus Caesar, with the help of his obedient lackey Josephus, devised a master deception whereby Jews should be seduced into worshipping Titus, divine son of the divine Vespasian, without knowing it, under the guise of a fictitious Jesus, divine son of a divine Father. The gospels were composed by Romans (and Roman stooges including defeated Zealot leader John of Gischala AKA John son of Zebedee) to catechize Jews into this new and false Judaism which, if they accepted it, should also lull them into a soporific pacifism convenient for Rome. The four canonical gospels and Josephus’ The Jewish War were designed and composed to be read together and so to reveal to the cognoscenti this secret origin and rationale for the Christian religion. Further, this Flavian Pentateuch, read thus intertextually, should disclose a series of cruel jokes and parodies of the very faith it presented for the consumption of the masses who read them literally. The Flavian aristocrats themselves would have gotten the jokes, especially the rich jest that the fools who fell for their scam religion were worshipping Titus without knowing it. In a cover blurb, Robert Eisenman (a sometime colleague of author Atwill, one hastens to add, on other endeavors) remarks, “If what Joseph Atwill is saying is only partially true, we are looking into the abyss.” And the abyss is looking back at us. But is it even partially true?
    Eisenman’s interest in Atwill’s proposal is understandable. Eisenman, in his monumental work James the Brother of Jesus, was able to show, from an altogether new perspective, how thoroughly pro-Roman is New Testament faith. Compared with the religion of nationalistic Jewish Christianity it must have seemed the foulest betrayal, an overnight devolution of the faith of a messiah who stormed the temple, condemning its Roman lapdog rulers, into a religion advocating obedience to Caesar, paying him his denarius, and accepting Quisling tax collectors as brothers in the faith. And Atwill is attempting to explain how such a Gentile Christianity, seemingly a perverse parody of Jewish messianism, could have come about. But does Eisenman accept Atwill’s theory? His blurb sounds like an exercise in damning with faint praise: he doesn’t even commit himself to Atwill’s being part right. And one hopes he never does, since that would be tying his own raft to a leaden, sinking ship.
    I will return presently to a handful of oddities that Atwill rightly points out, providing tasty food for further thought. But first I want to provide a broad sketch of the sense I think Atwill’s theory would make of New Testament phenomena, which is not to say it is the only theory that might account for these features. Picture a religious ethic of conspicuous compromise with the occupying authorities, a gospel that tells its believers not to resist any who confiscate their property, but to pay Roman taxes and to carry a legionary’s field pack twice the distance stipulated by Roman law. Imagine a story that blames not just Jews but implicitly nationalistic, messianic Jews for the destruction of their temple. A story that has the messiah predict that the kingdom will be taken from Jews and given to a more worthy nation. Keep in mind how the preacher of this sect befriends Jews who collaborate with Rome and eulogizes a Roman centurion for having faith unparalleled among Jews. He is declared innocent by Roman authorities but nonetheless is done in by Jewish rulers. Then think of how the predictions of the fall of Jerusalem a single generation later correspond so closely to Josephus’ account of the events, and furthermore, how Josephus even mentions Jesus as a righteous man and even as the messiah of prophetic prediction (though he himself had proclaimed Vespasian the proper object of such prophecy). When someone suggests that Christianity may have been a “safe,” denatured, Roman-domesticated, messianic Methadone to replace the real and dangerous messianic heroin of the Zealots, and that Josephus had something to do with it, it does not sound unreasonable on the face of it.
    Now even this much is highly controversial, debatable, and necessarily so. But if we find this much of the premise beguiling, should we go the rest of the way with Atwill as our guide? After all, somewhat similar theories of a Roman origin of Christianity and of Jesus have been proposed by Abelard Reuchlin (whose notorious 1979 booklet The True Authorship of the New Testament strikingly anticipates Atwill’s at several points), Margaret Morrison (Jesus Augustus), Cliff Carrington (who also ascribes the gospels to the Flavians), and Stephan Hermann Huller (Marcus Agrippa, etc.). We might find that one of these alternative theories of Roman origins explains many of the same things Atwill’s does, and without the disadvantages.
    Atwill’s theory does have the advantage of accounting for the persistent pro-Roman tendencies of the New Testament, but consider what else it requires us to accept. First, we are to accept a common, if committee, authorship of Matthew, Mark, Luke John, and Josephus’ The Jewish War. The whole idea seems, well, absurd. There is way, way, too much else in any and all of the gospel texts that cannot be dismissed (really, neglected) as mere padding, ballast, which is all it would be if Atwill is right. (“All of Jesus’ ministry was about the coming war with Rome and was designed to establish Jesus as Titus’ forerunner” p. 260.) Are we to dismiss the diverse, systematic, and subtle theological nuances disclosed by Redaction Criticism? Are all the patterns disclosed by Conzelmann, for instance, to be dismissed as optical illusions in order to justify Atwill?
    Similarly, only the most obtuse reader, the most tin-eared, can possibly fail to appreciate the sublime quality of so much of the New Testament (agree or disagree with it), which is necessary to do if one is to dismiss the whole thing as an elaborate joke on the reader. Rather, the joke is on Atwill, whose great learning has apparently driven him mad. Just think of someone advancing the same theory about, say, the Buddhist scriptures. The worst of them are far too tedious and turgid to have been composed to fill out a hoax (who would have gone to the trouble?), while the more readable and winsome (like the Dhammapada) are filled with a wisdom beyond the reach of a worldly-minded scoffer. As to Jesus’ teachings, Atwill declares that “those who see spiritual meaning in his words are being played for a fool” (p. 234). Such a statement is only a damning self-condemnation, revealing the author’s own absolute inability to appreciate what he is reading. This is why one must not throw one’s pearls before swine.
    Can we imagine that Josephus wrote consciously intending that his audience should meticulously compare his text with that of the gospels, and vice versa, for either to make sense? Atwill grants the authenticity of the Testimonium Flavianum, which even apologists cannot seem to swallow without trimming away the most obviously Christian gristle. He thinks the only reason scholars have dismissed it as an interpolation is that they think it fails to fit into the context, which, however, it does, according to his esoteric reading.
    Atwill claims he has learned to read the esoteric secrets of the gospels, whereby they are seen as black-comedic satires of events in the Jewish War. For instance, when Jesus offers his flesh for consumption at the Last Supper, it is “really” a wink to the reader who is somehow supposed to think of a passage in Josephus set during the Roman siege, when a woman eats the roasted flesh of her own infant. When Jesus offers to make his disciples fishers of men, the line is supposed to sardonically anticipate a wartime episode in which the Romans picked off fleeing Jewish rebels swimming in the Lake of Galilee. Thinking his method justified by comparison to the ancient practice of scriptural typology, Atwill gives himself license to indulge in the most outrageous display of “parallelomania” ever seen. He connects widely separated dots and collects sets of incredibly far-fetched verbal correspondences, from gospel to gospel and between the gospels and Josephus, then uses them to create ostensible parallel accounts. Then he declares himself justified in borrowing names, themes, and intended references from one “parallel” account and reading them into the other, thus supplying “missing” features. Triumphantly, Atwill defies the reader to call it all coincidence, working out the math to show such correspondences could never be the product of chance. Well, of course they are not. They are the product of his own arbitrary gematria in the first place. “That the wicked man in the Fulvia story can be seen as a lampoon of Paul seems difficult to dispute” (p. 247), unless of course one forgot to pick up a pair of 3-D glasses on the way into the theatre. Again, Atwill hammers home the “parallel” between Josephus’ story of a Jewish matron, Paulina, tricked into sleeping with a deceiver, Decius Mundus, claiming to be Anubis incarnate, on the one hand, and that of the supposed deception of disguising Titus as the god Jesus, on the other. What do they have in common? Josephus says Decius came forward to gloat, revealing the hoax three days later, while the adjacent Testimonium Flavianum of Josephus says Jesus was seen alive again three days after his crucifixion. “There is, of course, a difference. Whereas Jesus appears on the third day to show that he is a God, Decius appears on the third day to announce that he is not a god. [But] It is implausible that something as unusual as two ‘third-day divinity declarations’ would wind up next to one another by chance.” (p. 245). But there is no declaration of divinity in either case! As Atwill notes, Decius declares the opposite, while Josephus (or whoever wrote the Testimonium passage) says nothing of Jesus or anyone else declaring him divine as a result of the resurrection. Of such airy bricks is Atwill’s cloudy castle built.
    What is the utility of reading the gospels together as pieces of a single puzzle? If each evangelist meant to send the baffled reader in search of other texts with which to harmonize the one he began reading, it might enable us to iron out the contradictions, say, of the Easter stories. First, as per John 20, Mary Magdalene finds an empty tomb. But it is not that of Jesus. Rather she has mistakenly gone to the recently vacated tomb of Lazarus! She informs Simon Peter and the Beloved Disciple that Jesus appears to be missing. The Beloved Disciple plus a third man, simply “Peter,” make their way to the tomb. The Beloved Disciple arrives first but lingers for a moment outside the tomb, nearing the opening. Peter has not reached the tomb yet, but Simon Peter beats him there and walks past the Beloved Disciple, becoming the first to enter the sepulcher, where he spots the grave clothes cast aside when Lazarus left. At this specific moment, less than the duration of a minute, one must suppose, a second Mary Magdalene and her sisters (whose visit is recorded in Matthew 28) approach and see the Beloved Disciple outside the tomb. They think him an angel descended from heaven, and he tells them Jesus has risen. The women depart, and the Beloved Disciple joins Simon Peter inside, whereupon another party of women, including a third Mary Magdalene (this time from Luke 24), approaches and see the two men in the tomb. They take Simon Peter and the Beloved Disciples for angels. They leave, and, moments later, so does Simon Peter. As soon as he vanishes, here comes a fourth Mary Magdalene, this one from Mark, and she spies the Beloved Disciple inside the tomb and thinks he is an angel. He tells her and her companions to relate the news to Peter (who has not yet arrived, remember, only the quite distinct Simon Peter!). The Beloved Disciple returns home, but soon the other (Lukan) Peter (not Simon Peter) approaches, having heard the report of the Lukan Magdalene. He has brought at least one other man with him, a la Luke 24:24. The John 20:12 Mary Magdalene sees these men inside the tomb and thinks they are angels. Then she turns and sees a mysterious figure standing outside the tomb, takes him for the gardener, and asks him about Jesus, then thinks he is Jesus. But in “fact” he is Titus Caesar. The savvy reader (i.e., Atwill) will get the joke: the “Jesus” worshipped by stupid Christians is really Titus. It is all supposed to be “a comedy of errors” a la Plautus.
    Atwill hypothesizes that the Flavian jokesters were compiling the gospels-plus-Josephus as a kind of intelligence test, and Atwill implicitly congratulates himself as the only one in history who has ever passed it. “I would note that the satirical system that unites the New Testament and Wars of the Jews can be seen as an exercise in mind expansion, in that to solve the puzzles the reader must learn to think ‘outside the box,’ so to speak. The authors were making the point that the narrow focus the Sicarii Zealots maintained regarding a few scrolls was a limited and inaccurate mode of thought. The authors seem to be suggesting that only by seeing all sides of a problem can the truth be known. Therefore it is possible that they designed the New Testament as a tool to intellectually uplift the messianic rebels” (p. 225). No it isn’t. “It is possible that the authors of the Gospels created them as a sort of educational tool disguised as a narrative about Jesus. The authors may have wished their readers to work through the various contradictions in logic in order to develop their reasoning ability and thus be able to think their way out of religious superstition. They may have wished the Gospels to be seen by posterity as their contribution to the development of reason” (p. 167). Or maybe as a big Jumble puzzle. “The point I think the creators of Christianity were making with their use of comedy is that there are unlimited ways to interpret scripture and it is easy for the uneducated to see symbolic meaning where there is none. They made this point by creating the New Testament as an example” (p. 234). No, it is Atwill himself whose creation demonstrates the limitless possibilities of perverse and gratuitous interpretations of the text.
    One hates to be so severe in the analysis of the work of an innovative thinker who gives us the gift of a fresh reading of familiar texts, but in the present case it is hard to euphemize. The reading given here is just ludicrous. There are indeed surprising parallels between Josephus and the gospels that traditional exegesis has never been able to deal with adequately, but surely the more natural theory is the old one, that the gospel writers wrote late enough to have borrowed from Josephus and did so. Thus, as per Edgar J. Goodspeed, Matthew 23:35 probably confuses the biblical prophet Zechariah son of Berechiah with the revolutionary martyr Zechariah son of Baruch whose death Josephus relates. But is this because Josephus and his committee of comedy writers are responsible for both references, meaning for us to read them in tandem, as Atwill avers? Or is it because Mathew read the information in Josephus and mixed it up (as Luke did Josephus’ references to Theudas the Magician and Judas the Galilean in Acts 5:36-37)?
    Atwill reasons that Jesus’ prediction of the fall of Jerusalem plainly prefigures Josephus’ account of the actual events, and he infers that both versions (in the future and the past tenses) stem from the same source, Josephus and his Flavian collaborators. Then, he reasons, the Son of Man whose coming was to climax the apocalyptic scenario must be none other than the actual man who did wreak judgment on Jerusalem, Titus. Atwill congratulates the Preterist school of interpreters (like J. Stuart Russell, The Parousia) on recognizing that the Synoptic predictions of the desolation of Jerusalem must have been completely fulfilled in 70 CE, with nothing left over for futurist expectation. Here is one of Atwill’s most attractive suggestions, though he does not put it the way I am about to do. I believe that Bultmann was right that several “son of man” sayings in the gospels referred originally simply to “mankind” in general (e.g., Mark 2:10, 28; Matthew 12:32). In fact, I wonder if they do not retain this non-Christological “Everyman” denotation even in the gospels. Further, I suspect even more of the son of man sayings are intended this way, e.g., Mark 14:21. Perhaps Mark 13:36 (“And then they will see the son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.”) is another one. If it were, then maybe what we read there is a reference to Josephus’ account of the end of Jerusalem, heralded, he says, by people beholding in the flame-tinged clouds the forms of battling soldiers and charioteers. After all, the introductory (redactional) question placed in the disciples’ mouths concerns the time of the temple’s destruction.
    Again, Atwill suggests that Mark’s story of Joseph of Arimathea requesting the body of Jesus be taken down and given to him comes from Josephus’ own experience of recognizing three crucifixion victims as former associates of his and securing Roman permission to have them taken down alive and treated, though only one survived. How similar are the names “Joseph of Arimathea” and “Joseph bar-Matthias” (the historian’s full name)! If the gospel story is based on Josephus’ story, that would solve the problem of why Joseph seems to have asked only for Jesus, and what happened to the two other “thieves” crucified alongside him. But to posit such a thing, one hardly need envision a committee writing both stories in the hope that the clever reader would connect them (as if doing so would remotely imply some identity between Jesus and Titus Caesar!).
    Unaware of the work of Theodore J. Weeden, Atwill traces out the numerous striking parallels between the Passion story of Jesus Christ and the Josephus story of Jesus ben-Ananias, his interrogation by the Sanhedrin and the Roman procurator, his predictions of Jerusalem’s destruction, and his flogging and eventual death, suggesting the two Jesuses are one and the same. (It is too bad the rest of Atwill’s parallels are not similarly compelling, even plausible.) But surely, as Weeden argues, the explanation is that Mark simply borrowed the story from Josephus.
    What about the Roman-tilting anti-Judaism (maybe anti-Semitism) of the gospels? Again, the old explanations are quite natural and adequate: we are reading the documents of Gentile Christianity which viewed itself as superseding Judaism and Jewish Christianity. Why do their authors seem to kiss the Roman posterior? For apologetical reasons, to avoid persecution. Brandon, Eisler, and others saw that long ago. One need hardly posit that the gospels are cynical Roman (not merely pro-Roman) propaganda a la Reuchlin and Atwill.
    According to Atwill, “the reader needs to comprehend perhaps the most complex literary satire ever written” (p. 169). But Atwill’s envisioned satire seems so complex as to be incoherent. “Jesus” stands not only for Tiberius but also for a hypothetical Zealot leader named Eleazar, who also appears in the New Testament as Lazarus. Mary Magdalene stands for several different women, “Mary” being, Atwill guesses, a term for any female Jewish rebel or sympathizer. Simon Peter and Peter are not the same, either. The two gospel genealogies, a la Rudolf Steiner, represent two distinct Jesuses. In Atwill’s hands, everything means everything else. And, in the end, you know what that means.

    This 'real historian's' daughter was bullied by 'peers' 'believing' particular 'zeitgeist' and related genre' disinformation. The Macquarie University historian responded as in the above.

    Some things are common sensical and require no debunking whatsoever, (as long as there are no evil ETs or reptilian archosaurs engaged - but there you have a 'reason' as to why certain 'informers' are allowed to continue amidst the murkiness) - well said David!

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    Conversations on the Cosmic Reconfiguration of Symbols and Archetypes Empty The Secret of Eden

    Post  Didymos on Mon Dec 10, 2012 9:15 pm

    The Secret of Eden

    God created Adam in his image and from Adam as A Dam, the Mad Alpha damned in sinful ignorance in a Mad Beginning, he created Eve for Adam to have a partnership.

    But the Son of Man (97) had no Mother (79) and no Goddess image (9779) in Christ (77) for his Father, as Eve was no real Woman (66) and as she could bear no Son (48) as a part of Man (28) in the metaphysical symbols of the archetypology of the creation mythology.

    So the Son of Man (97) became a Serpent (97) as a Present Present (97+97) for disfunctional Eve (32) as a Cell (32) of Life (32).

    The Serpent, as the Son of Man and the true image of His Father could not live in reality without Sex (48) between Adam (19) and Eve (32) and so to Live (48), the Serpent became Evil (48) as a Veil (48) to stop the sinful ignorances in fantasy heavenhell aka the Paradise of God with his damned image in Adam as Ra as A Gaia, unable to reproduce in the sterility of his own flesh and blood and rib and as the barrenness of Eve.

    And so the Evil Sex of the Veil between the Son (48) of Man (28) + 74 = Daughter (84) of Woman (66) became The Amen (33+33) of The Name (33+33) in The Magic (33+33) of Woman (66) as Freedom (66) of Thuban (66) in Abraxas (66) for Old Eve to get real in the physical Eden of the Earth and in a Redirection and a Reproduction and a Rewriting of an incomplete story or fairy tale about Abba-Baab's abstract metaphysical paradise in true cosmic natural lawfulness realised in a genuine physicalised universe.

    The Serpent-Dad of the Son of Cosmic Manhood with Lilith-Mum of the Daughter of Cosmic Womanhood so created the Dragon Daughter Deborah HarobeD (53+53) of the Infinity (106); the Cosmic Child of StarHumanity and the Redemption of the Old Humanity in the Christ of the 74.

    And her his name is: L(ove) and L(ight) (24=12+12=4x6) Lilith Lucifera of the Waterlilies of the Brooks of Thoth

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    Revelation 16:12-21 King James Version (KJV)

    12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
    13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
    14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
    15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
    16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
    17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
    18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
    19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
    20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
    21 And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven, every stone about the weight of a talent: and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

    The TALE NT of a new LENT AT ARMAGEDDON (82) Dragon Made (82)

    M(other) M(ary) with MM (13+13) as JCCJ (26) in GOD (26) with DOG (26) in the Earth (52) of the Heart (52) of the Devil (52) Lived (52) in Finance (52) and in Pride (52).

    THE KALI (33+33) of THUBAN (66) has ARISEN
    e|3=BB=88 in the GALAXY (70) of LILITH (70) thu BAN in BRISE, the lies and untruths of the NABS BRIE (70); of an old milky cheese, not maturing in taste and aroma in the Oil of Olives from Mount Jerusalem, but rotting in the air of truths of the ONE (34) LOGOS (68) of OLIVIA (68) of ONE (38) GOD named ABBA (6) in ONE (38) DOG named BAAB (6).

    The Council of Thuban de Akbar Rahar in the AlphaOmega (79) of the one true Mother (79) of the Star (58) of the Father (58)

    [7:28:23 PM-Tuesday, December 11th, 2012] Thubanis: The real Kali is here I know this
    [7:28:48 PM] Thubanis: But how this helps this 3d mess I dont know
    [7:29:10 PM] Thubanis: Yes rejections and holding on the the old
    [7:29:34 PM] Thubanis: I can't and wont comment anymore, but I know what I feel and see
    [7:30:07 PM] Thubanis: And the 'pits of hell' are opened like JT's stargates
    [7:30:19 PM] Thubanis: Mental hells not physical
    [7:30:34 PM] Thubanis: Perhaps they will get physical post the birth I dont know
    [7:31:01 PM] Thubanis: This 'oiled body' is the key
    [7:31:10 PM] Thubanis: It is loose
    [7:31:21 PM] Ishtara Raven: god i hope not, i do not want these things to get out of porportion
    [7:31:28 PM] Thubanis: I just dont know
    [7:31:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: speaking of the mental hells
    [7:31:43 PM] Thubanis: How this roksui saga developes might give us some guidance
    [7:31:53 PM] Ishtara Raven: why I am so concerned for 44, he must remain extremely vigilant
    [7:31:56 PM] Thubanis: yes
    [7:32:05 PM] Thubanis: My dream of the bathtub see
    [7:32:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: i did not know you had this dream
    [7:32:17 PM] Thubanis: December 9th
    [7:32:38 PM] Thubanis: No I kept it to myself as I was struggling how to blend MI with Debbie
    [7:32:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: thats heavy
    [7:32:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: was there blood?
    [7:33:13 PM] Thubanis: No I woke up but it was like a strangling or selfcutting
    [7:33:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: bathtub, birthwaters
    [7:33:27 PM] Thubanis: I was disturbed of course
    [7:33:27 PM] Ishtara Raven: blood, water breaking
    [7:33:36 PM] Ishtara Raven: i see it as birth
    [7:33:48 PM] Thubanis: But then I started to 'see' the dark lilith
    [7:33:56 PM] Thubanis: You know why i know?
    [7:34:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: no
    [7:34:19 PM] Thubanis: Because she started to call me tonyblue and MI nor anyone ever called me that
    [7:34:25 PM] Ishtara Raven: haha
    [7:34:30 PM] Thubanis: It came not from my own mind/delusions etc
    [7:34:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: nice
    [7:34:46 PM] Thubanis: So I now know that lilith is templated as my core to multiply in whoever can handle her energy
    [7:35:06 PM] Thubanis: She is heavey yes, asking me if I can handle the hell fires
    [7:35:19 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i feel she is here, like i said i had strong images of Debbie also
    [7:35:34 PM] Thubanis: But all this mental memeshit can be absorbed in this presence now
    [7:35:51 PM] Thubanis: Raven one thing you must know now
    [7:35:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes 44 needs to be Kali atm
    [7:36:08 PM] Thubanis: This revolves around intergalactic communications
    [7:36:30 PM] Thubanis: You know that there was or are some nabs queries about the lunar rocks?
    [7:36:48 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah
    [7:36:50 PM] Thubanis: Like some ETs saying don't take the rocks to earth?
    [7:36:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
    [7:37:00 PM] Thubanis: Can you figure why?
    [7:37:23 PM] Ishtara Raven: um no
    [7:37:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: but somewhat like the mummies curses i guess
    [7:37:57 PM] Thubanis: This was given to me today by Lilith and this is very important for the entire future of this civilization
    [7:37:58 PM] Ishtara Raven: superstition
    [7:38:09 PM] Thubanis: Nono think more logically
    [7:38:19 PM] Thubanis: Talking resources ok?
    [7:38:38 PM] Ishtara Raven: like taking things that dont belong to them
    [7:38:41 PM] Thubanis: I thought what would be the case for interstellar trade and why does it not exist?
    [7:38:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: without permission
    [7:38:48 PM] Thubanis: Like startrek movies see?
    [7:39:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: yeah well because its part of the body of the moon?
    [7:39:02 PM] Thubanis: Talking resources to sustain any civilization
    [7:39:15 PM] Thubanis: earth is running out of water oil etc get the drift?
    [7:39:20 PM] Ishtara Raven: right
    [7:39:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: its rape
    [7:39:24 PM] Thubanis: YES
    [7:39:27 PM] Thubanis: you got it
    [7:39:48 PM] Thubanis: Interstellar trade means you are actully trading 'spiritual' consciousness energy etc
    [7:40:02 PM] Ishtara Raven: i watched that whole series on the blue economy, this thing needs to go viral
    [7:40:04 PM] Thubanis: So it is not like 'mining the moon'
    [7:40:10 PM] Thubanis: YES
    [7:40:16 PM] Thubanis: But potently now
    [7:40:45 PM] Thubanis: The only WAY to be cosmically lawful to MINE some other planet-moon-star etc is to exchange lifesource
    [7:41:01 PM] Thubanis: SEX you must make BLEND in essence with the 'exploited'
    [7:41:10 PM] Thubanis: This is the true meaning of cosmic sex
    [7:41:27 PM] Thubanis: So exchange of data is sexual intercourse in divers ways, cellular intercourse becomes galactic cellular macroquantum cosmobiology
    [7:41:37 PM] Thubanis: This is mindblowing once you can see it
    [7:41:49 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh yeah i get you, they did not ask permission to take those things, the anazazi told me the same thing when i was on their lands, the sprits said not to take things...and i respected this and then i was given permission to take two things from an old man who visited me in a vision one night, he said i was family thats why.
    [7:41:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh wow yeah
    [7:42:11 PM] Thubanis: So no mining of the moon, unless the moon is 'loved' cosmically by the earth etc and this requires starhuman consciousness
    [7:42:20 PM] Thubanis: YES
    [7:42:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: indeed, yes
    [7:42:50 PM] Thubanis: WHY I am so potent and desirous in wanting to SHARE this anointed body
    [7:43:24 PM] Thubanis: The dragonomy sex is just a small but superpotent template for the 'cosmic lovemaking' between stars-planets-galaxies-universes. But not parallel because they cannot share a seedling center. The multiverses are phaseshifted protoverses within an encompassing omniverse not parallel universe mainstream and quasi science BS
    [7:43:35 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes its like first contact
    [7:43:44 PM] Thubanis: You see the power of Lilith?
    [7:43:54 PM] Thubanis: Eating all of physical creation
    [7:44:03 PM] Ishtara Raven: the more who experience the template, sexually in a loving way the more it infects
    [7:44:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
    [7:44:17 PM] Thubanis: TO share it out in whatever intergalactic communication-trades etc can evolve
    [7:44:44 PM] Thubanis: Raven once you see this you will understand
    [7:45:20 PM] Thubanis: Any new Eve aka Abba's daughter becomes the Cosmos to share its resources
    [7:45:43 PM] Thubanis: warpdrives of ETs and so on all are powered and fuelled by cosmic sexuality as information exchange
    [7:46:01 PM] Thubanis: Wait until you get this
    [7:46:19 PM] Ishtara Raven:
    [7:41 PM] Thubanis:
    <<< So exchange of data is sexual intercourse in divers ways

    i get it love, i was hoping for a summer of love scenario you know, where everyone just looses their stupidity about it and gets it on....not a mass orgy ok but a realization of the sheer power and beauty of it
    [7:46:52 PM] Thubanis: Yes but can you see this is the cosmic powersouirce to go hyperdimensional?
    [7:46:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: of course
    [7:47:10 PM] Ishtara Raven: the sharing between cores
    [7:47:17 PM] Thubanis: It is the bridge of so called orgasmic experience, which joins the dimension gaps
    [7:47:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh i have always known that
    [7:47:31 PM] Thubanis: Like a sparkplug in your motor, car or lawn mower
    [7:47:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: but the mindblend is necessary for it to go full blown
    [7:47:55 PM] Thubanis: It is not possible yet
    [7:47:58 PM] Ishtara Raven: supercharged, it cant be onesided
    [7:48:14 PM] Ishtara Raven: its conscious sex
    [7:48:21 PM] Ishtara Raven: totally and fully conscious
    [7:48:22 PM] Thubanis: It requires the first Lilith to trigegr the domino effect in morphogenetic resonances
    And this Lilith is the 'anointed body' from Abba and Baab and not of some pretenders, male or female, who have 'tuned into' the world logos dispensations
    [7:48:40 PM] Thubanis: It is far past so called human sexuality
    [7:48:51 PM] Thubanis: It uses this as its basefractal
    [7:49:03 PM] Ishtara Raven: the orgasm is the intelligence of ABBABAAB, the lifeblood
    [7:49:13 PM] Thubanis: But it is actuially part of the cosmogenetic the epigenetic genomatics
    [7:49:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: the street of jerusalem
    remember the few weeks we had in this energy tony
    [7:50:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: i was alive
    [7:51:14 PM] Ishtara Raven: i felt the eternal witness in all things
    [7:51:19 PM] Ishtara Raven: it was coursing thorugh me
    [7:51:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: it is pure cosmic communication yes
    [7:52:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: the fire of lilith
    [7:53:25 PM] Ishtara Raven: and freedom omg
    [7:53:35 PM] Ishtara Raven: i never felt so free
    [7:54:08 PM] Thubanis: Yes I know and I am putting this to my last reply Abba was alive in New Baab, but New Baab lost her marbles big time returning to be Old Barbelo=Heaven=55=Judas=Clouds=Songs=Satan fantasies and delusions
    [7:54:23 PM] Ishtara Raven: it felt as if i was this huge magnet of love and extacy
    [7:54:35 PM] Thubanis: But I let you ponder this, so you can clear this in your moind at your own pace
    [7:54:52 PM] Thubanis: This is a revelation of Revelations, you will see this soon
    [7:55:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: i hope so, i have been wanting this feeling to come back and never leave
    [7:56:08 PM] Ishtara Raven: what is going on on the forums, i glanced over there eariler and noticed a lot going on on that thread
    [7:59:46 PM] Thubanis: I am laying it to rest in the forums in the New Year, buit this is our last sharing and this now is extraordinary
    [8:00:16 PM] Thubanis: Of course they wont get it or dismiss it but the timeline stands to their own future selfhood
    [8:00:42 PM] Ishtara Raven: i see dd is replying to you
    [8:01:31 PM] Thubanis: In her 'I know better way', but no prentender can give birth to Lilith
    [8:01:48 PM] Ishtara Raven: nope
    [8:02:43 PM] Thubanis: No Abba or Baab in the Nabs peddlers and the Lion has eaten them all. Only Thuban has consumed the Lion, no matter what the babblers say
    [8:03:05 PM] Ishtara Raven: i agree
    [8:03:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: i was thinking about that line in the GoT too yesterday
    [8:04:28 PM] Thubanis: And Thuban means Freedom in the surrender to the World Logos and is not some organisation or cult peddling heaven fatasies and ascension mechanics
    [8:05:27 PM] Ishtara Raven: 44 must remember now that this goes beyond any human 3-D BS and it is totally cosmic, whatever he suffers right now is nothing in the bigger picture, this will take over all. do not be afraid of what your suffering 44, look it in the face and turn the other cheek babe, this is your power.
    [8:06:49 PM] Ishtara Raven: no and the book of life is not some freaking piece of paper
    [8:07:00 PM] Ishtara Raven: or patent
    [8:07:12 PM] Ishtara Raven: or law of man
    [8:07:42 PM] Ishtara Raven: this is what they don't get Tony, that this did not come from human minds
    [8:07:49 PM] Ishtara Raven: it is NOT of this earth
    [8:08:14 PM] Thubanis: http://www.themistsofavalon.net/t5353p30-conversations-regarding-the-cosmic-changes-in-archetypes-and-symbols#86032
    [8:08:32 PM] Thubanis: We should end the sharing here Raven and I agree of course
    [8:11:30 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes nice
    [8:11:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: she can put that in her pipe and smoke it
    [8:12:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol i suddenly feel all kali like
    [8:18:14 PM] Thubanis: Good and you can be a true Kali
    [8:19:07 PM] Thubanis: Not many can take this energy, especially the Lion deniers lol
    [8:19:37 PM] Thubanis: So there will be many fake Kali's mindfuc11ing themselves as usual
    [8:20:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: i have been sick today too
    [8:21:36 PM] Thubanis: The body effects are natural in this mental reconfiguration of the memewars
    [8:22:02 PM] Thubanis: As said we are scribes and testifiers in a much bigger cosmic Logos agenda

    [12:48:42 AM] Zaina: My dream on sunday 9th .i walked in to what i thought was a house with some one i cannot remember who it was but seemed familar to me ,and my daughter Dinah was with me but she was asleep .As i walked in the house it suddenly seemed to be a boat ,as i looked out the windows the water was everywhere ,not a rough sea or any waves just water and very deep it looked ..the house stated flowing down this waters and spinning in circles ,the sea seemed a little unsettled ,and that was all i remember ..

    [12:51:32 AM-Thursday, December 13th, 2012] Thubanis: This is Noah's Ark look there for Raven's 'Armageddon-Graduation' Dream
    [12:51:37 AM] Thubanis: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&id=BDB3F1DE-78FA-4432-8DE8-567D1E8AF6BB&fid=C8003AFA-256F-490A-942F-15A004A56BC8&pageindex=2
    [12:52:07 AM] Thubanis: last post
    [1:08:12 AM] Zaina: Thanks Tony ..this dream makes some sense now ..
    [1:09:19 AM] Thubanis: Sure dear I shared it, but won't post much more
    [1:09:38 AM] Thubanis: Many people are having 'graduation dreams' look here:
    [1:11:29 AM] Thubanis: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&id=56DB0087-6A07-4CA9-857E-F4FAA5634D81&fid=CF847C8F-6474-4275-96FC-E149025D95A9&pageindex=3

    Isaiah.2.1-5: King James Version (KJV)

    1 The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem.

    2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the Lord's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it.

    3 And many people shall go and say, Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.

    4 And he shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.

    5 O house of Jacob, come ye, and let us walk in the light of the Lord.

    Isaiah 49:21-23 King James Version (KJV)

    21 Then shalt thou say in thine heart, Who hath begotten me these, seeing I have lost my children, and am desolate, a captive, and removing to and fro? and who hath brought up these? Behold, I was left alone; these, where had they been?

    22 Thus saith the Lord God, Behold, I will lift up mine hand to the Gentiles, and set up my standard to the people: and they shall bring thy sons in their arms, and thy daughters shall be carried upon their shoulders.

    23 And kings shall be thy nursing fathers, and their queens thy nursing mothers: they shall bow down to thee with their face toward the earth, and lick up the dust of thy feet; and thou shalt know that I am the Lord: for they shall not be ashamed that wait for me.

    Isaiah 59:18-20

    18 According to their deeds, accordingly he will repay, fury to his adversaries, recompence to his enemies; to the islands he will repay recompence.

    19 So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him.

    20 And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.

    Isaiah 62:9-11

    9 But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the Lord; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

    10 Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.

    11 Behold, the Lord hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

    Jeremiah 4:5-7

    5 Declare ye in Judah, and publish in Jerusalem; and say, Blow ye the trumpet in the land: cry, gather together, and say, Assemble yourselves, and let us go into the defenced cities.

    6 Set up the standard toward Zion: retire, stay not: for I will bring evil from the north, and a great destruction.

    7 The lion is come up from his thicket, and the destroyer of the Gentiles is on his way; he is gone forth from his place to make thy land desolate; and thy cities shall be laid waste, without an inhabitant.

    Jeremiah 4:20-22

    20 Destruction upon destruction is cried; for the whole land is spoiled: suddenly are my tents spoiled, and my curtains in a moment.

    21 How long shall I see the standard, and hear the sound of the trumpet?

    22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

    Jeremiah 50:1-3

    1 The word that the Lord spake against Babylon and against the land of the Chaldeans by Jeremiah the prophet.

    2 Declare ye among the nations, and publish, and set up a standard; publish, and conceal not: say, Babylon is taken, Bel is confounded, Merodach is broken in pieces; her idols are confounded, her images are broken in pieces.

    3 For out of the north there cometh up a nation against her, which shall make her land desolate, and none shall dwell therein: they shall remove, they shall depart, both man and beast.

    Jeremiah 51:11-13

    11 Make bright the arrows; gather the shields: the Lord hath raised up the spirit of the kings of the Medes: for his device is against Babylon, to destroy it; because it is the vengeance of the Lord, the vengeance of his temple.

    12 Set up the standard upon the walls of Babylon, make the watch strong, set up the watchmen, prepare the ambushes: for the Lord hath both devised and done that which he spake against the inhabitants of Babylon.

    13 O thou that dwellest upon many waters, abundant in treasures, thine end is come, and the measure of thy covetousness.

    Jeremiah 51:26-28

    26 And they shall not take of thee a stone for a corner, nor a stone for foundations; but thou shalt be desolate for ever, saith the Lord.

    27 Set ye up a standard in the land, blow the trumpet among the nations, prepare the nations against her, call together against her the kingdoms of Ararat, Minni, and Ashchenaz; appoint a captain against her; cause the horses to come up as the rough caterpillers.

    28 Prepare against her the nations with the kings of the Medes, the captains thereof, and all the rulers thereof, and all the land of his dominion.

    [4:01:37 AM - Wednesday, December 12th, 2012 (+11UCT)] Ishtara Raven: yes i had a dream last night
    [4:01:55 AM] Ishtara Raven: we were all meeting at Tony's house for finals
    [4:02:36 AM] Ishtara Raven: and you asked him to store 5000 bibles or some material for you from ucadia
    [4:02:54 AM] Ishtara Raven: or something you were selling or promoting, i dont know exactly what it was
    [4:03:11 AM] Ishtara Raven: but he agreed, although not too happy about it
    [4:03:35 AM] Ishtara Raven: but we were all gathering at his house for final presentations
    [4:03:49 AM] Ishtara Raven: of all that we have learned
    [4:05:09 AM] Ishtara Raven: basically symbolizing that its not play time anymore, its all very real and we are being judged
    [4:12:12 AM] Debra R. DP TP SP: Yes true.. and as we speak "Kali is being judged"!
    [4:13:11 AM] Ishtara Raven: his house was huge, like a large mansion, university
    [4:13:37 AM] Ishtara Raven: lots of rooms
    [4:14:39 AM] Debra R. DP TP SP: The book delivery was a message... the deliverer will not be staying Raven.
    [4:15:22 AM] Ishtara Raven: well i think it was bibles, i saw them all stacked up on the floor
    [4:15:30 AM] Ishtara Raven: to the ceiling
    [4:15:50 AM] Ishtara Raven: and i recall him saying there were 5000 of them
    [4:18:11 AM] Ishtara Raven: i am not sure what it means, but he agreed to help you distribute them, although reluctantly
    [4:18:33 AM] Ishtara Raven: orders were being sent to his house and he was delivering
    [4:20:02 AM] Ishtara Raven: but things are blending now, i dont know if you feel this
    [4:20:12 AM] Ishtara Raven: MI and Debbie are together
    [4:20:46 AM] Ishtara Raven: womb of wombs

    [12/12/2012 3:53:35 PM] Thubanis: So your time was 3:53 am
    [12/12/2012 3:53:44 PM] Thubanis: when the red armageddon line began
    [12/12/2012 3:53:51 PM] Thubanis: On the chart
    [12/12/2012 3:54:05 PM] Ishtara Raven: well interesting
    [12/12/2012 3:54:15 PM] Thubanis: Fits well yes
    [12/12/2012 3:54:19 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
    [12/12/2012 3:54:29 PM] Thubanis: And it looks like babylon judgement now
    [12/12/2012 3:54:45 PM] Thubanis: DD thinks she is not Kali though and it is the old world including us
    [12/12/2012 3:55:17 PM] Thubanis: So wait add the 21 days double to this time
    [12/12/2012 3:55:26 PM] Thubanis: New Year
    [12/12/2012 3:55:33 PM] Thubanis: like the chart
    [12/12/2012 3:55:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: and the dream was strange, we were all nervous , it was sort of like my final presentation for the intercultural communications class. and we were reading notes and checking over our preparations. i am not sure who was judging us, but it was your house, but it also had a university feel like i said.
    [12/12/2012 3:55:57 PM] Thubanis: Yes makes more sense now
    [12/12/2012 3:56:08 PM] Thubanis: Also the seeming defeat of Thuban
    [12/12/2012 3:56:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i did not feel defeated, but i feared for some who i knew would not pass
    [12/12/2012 3:56:38 PM] Thubanis: You were meant to 'muddle the murky waters'
    [12/12/2012 3:56:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: you could see it in their faces
    [12/12/2012 3:56:55 PM] Thubanis: why was she there?
    [12/12/2012 3:57:02 PM] Ishtara Raven: DD was not there
    [12/12/2012 3:57:03 PM] Thubanis: Was she judged?
    [12/12/2012 3:57:09 PM] Thubanis: Ah
    [12/12/2012 3:57:18 PM] Thubanis: what about her asking
    [12/12/2012 3:57:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: the judging had not occured yet, but was about to commence then i awoke
    [12/12/2012 3:57:35 PM] Thubanis: Excellent
    [12/12/2012 3:57:40 PM] Thubanis: This is the timeline see this?
    [12/12/2012 3:57:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: she asked me to ask you if she could store these things there
    [12/12/2012 3:57:53 PM] Thubanis: Ah yes then this is the chat
    [12/12/2012 3:58:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: and so i asked you, she was on a cellphone with me then i gave the phone to you
    [12/12/2012 3:58:06 PM] Thubanis: You are a mediator
    [12/12/2012 3:58:17 PM] Thubanis: I see this makes sense
    [12/12/2012 3:58:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: and you did not seem happy to do it, but did it anyhow and i felt maybe it was because there were bibles too
    [12/12/2012 3:58:38 PM] Thubanis: You saw your friends not DD
    [12/12/2012 3:58:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: no
    [12/12/2012 3:58:53 PM] Thubanis: Well I am extremely unhappy
    [12/12/2012 3:59:04 PM] Thubanis: You felt right
    [12/12/2012 3:59:09 PM] Ishtara Raven: i saw xeia and rok , you, andrew, barbara, JT, susan and many others who i did not recognize there
    [12/12/2012 3:59:23 PM] Thubanis: Vivian Olga?
    [12/12/2012 3:59:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: no
    [12/12/2012 3:59:34 PM] Thubanis: No parent figures
    [12/12/2012 3:59:49 PM] Ishtara Raven: there may of been but i did not see any
    [12/12/2012 3:59:54 PM] Thubanis: Ok
    [12/12/2012 4:00:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: but then i sort of think of Andrew and B as adopted parents lol
    [12/12/2012 4:00:09 PM] Thubanis: See the cellphone is the chats
    [12/12/2012 4:00:29 PM] Thubanis: They seem Logos induced anyway
    [12/12/2012 4:00:37 PM] Thubanis: Template pioneers
    [12/12/2012 4:00:38 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes they are
    [12/12/2012 4:00:50 PM] Thubanis: James?
    [12/12/2012 4:01:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol he was not there that i saw, but then i dont dream of him a lot
    [12/12/2012 4:01:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: but i dont remember all of the dream either, some is fuzzy
    [12/12/2012 4:02:07 PM] Thubanis: So thinking, storing her things means what?
    [12/12/2012 4:02:24 PM] Thubanis: She is excluded but her things are not?
    [12/12/2012 4:02:25 PM] Ishtara Raven: the last dream i had of James he left me for another woman again, i keep having similar dreams
    [12/12/2012 4:02:55 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i guess you could interpret it that way
    [12/12/2012 4:03:06 PM] Thubanis: Rok and Xeia were there cored? you think
    [12/12/2012 4:03:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: they were being tested too
    [12/12/2012 4:03:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: everyone was being tested for validity
    [12/12/2012 4:03:32 PM] Thubanis: Good
    [12/12/2012 4:03:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: and the fakes were nervous
    [12/12/2012 4:03:51 PM] Thubanis: Who were fakes?
    [12/12/2012 4:04:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: and dont ask me who they were it was not specific, i could just feel and sense some were nervous
    [12/12/2012 4:04:12 PM] Thubanis: Ok
    [12/12/2012 4:04:25 PM] Ishtara Raven: i was very nervous for them
    [12/12/2012 4:04:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: and a bit myself
    [12/12/2012 4:04:49 PM] Ishtara Raven: because it was the real thing, this was serious
    [12/12/2012 4:04:58 PM] Thubanis: Hopefully

    [7:16:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: [7:12 PM] Thubanis:

    <<< 19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.tony what does it mean when it says the great city is divided into three parts?
    [7:16:55 PM] Thubanis: Look at the chart
    [7:17:05 PM] Thubanis: The 10 days in front and the end
    [7:17:17 PM] Thubanis: Why you can decode this the way it is
    [7:17:26 PM] Ishtara Raven: ok i see
    [7:17:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: so we are in the 3rd part, yes this has to be it
    [7:17:51 PM] Thubanis: This dividing must be be in the 7th plague
    [7:18:07 PM] Thubanis: Last 10 yes
    [7:18:30 PM] Thubanis: Precisely when you had this dream
    [7:18:39 PM] Thubanis: see it now the 40 minutes or so
    [7:18:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
    [7:18:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: lol
    [7:18:52 PM] Thubanis: Your dream actually confirmed this chart
    [7:19:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i had no idea
    [7:19:16 PM] Thubanis: Noone takes my charts serious or can read them I know
    [7:19:48 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i sort of can hon, but i am not as well versed in the scripture or where to look
    [7:19:50 PM] Thubanis: Look at it and work out then when this 3rd part starts your time
    [7:19:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: but i see it clearly now
    [7:20:24 PM] Thubanis: We said before 11:53 UCT December 11th
    [7:20:43 PM] Thubanis: -8 hours is 3:53 Seattle
    [7:20:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: so what time would that be for me
    [7:20:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh i see
    [7:20:59 PM] Thubanis: 3:53 Seattle
    [7:21:06 PM] Thubanis: am
    [7:21:07 PM] Ishtara Raven: what does utc stand for again
    [7:21:14 PM] Ishtara Raven: thats not your time right
    [7:21:17 PM] Thubanis: You said you went to bed 3:00
    [7:21:21 PM] Thubanis: No
    [7:21:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: greewnich mean time?
    [7:21:26 PM] Thubanis: I am +19
    [7:21:38 PM] Thubanis: But it is the same event
    [7:21:52 PM] Thubanis: +19 from you +11 UCT
    [7:22:08 PM] Thubanis: GMT=UCT yes
    [7:22:35 PM] Thubanis: So I am now 7:22 pm and you are 0:22 am correct?
    [7:22:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes i did go to bed right near then and i layed there and rubbed James back and i apologized to him for all my wrong doings and shortcomings, i dont know why i did that, i guess because i was in such a sour mood yesterday
    [7:22:47 PM] Thubanis: December 12th
    [7:22:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: and then i fell asleep
    [7:23:14 PM] Thubanis: Yes this is the time an hour after you signed out
    [7:24:07 PM] Ishtara Raven: and i layed there and did what you said, i thought of kali, MI and Debbie and just tried to envision her dark black figure
    [7:24:13 PM] Thubanis: 10pm my time 3am your time
    [7:24:27 PM] Ishtara Raven: she did appear to me with crystal black eyes and sparkiling black skin
    [7:24:31 PM] Thubanis: Hmm good they spoke to you soon after
    [7:24:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: then i fell asleep
    [7:25:07 PM] Ishtara Raven: i saw ABBA near her on a white horse in his black robe, but the robe seemed to turn into her body
    [7:25:16 PM] Thubanis: Anyway you better keep track with the chart the next three weeks because your dream is a trigger and starter here
    [7:25:38 PM] Thubanis: Yes as I said no robe on Baab
    [7:25:41 PM] Ishtara Raven: and then i saw her
    [7:25:49 PM] Thubanis: Pure darkness
    [7:25:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: she was beautiful
    [7:26:09 PM] Thubanis: Like Abba's Robe submerged making him Baab get it dear?
    [7:26:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
    [7:26:18 PM] Thubanis: Abba=Baab here
    [7:26:25 PM] Thubanis: He sexchanged
    [7:26:27 PM] Ishtara Raven: i know
    [7:26:37 PM] Thubanis: Good It is just coming to me
    [7:26:47 PM] Thubanis: You are ahead here, what I like
    [7:26:57 PM] Thubanis: I want the femmes to take over
    [7:26:59 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i tell you what i see
    [7:27:10 PM] Ishtara Raven: i have no reason to make this up Tony
    [7:27:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: what do i benifit?
    [7:27:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: its not for me anyhow
    [7:27:34 PM] Thubanis: Of course I am looking for you to manifest that's all not critisize
    [7:27:48 PM] Thubanis: Why I am probing
    [7:28:03 PM] Thubanis: I am past critisizing your empathy
    [7:28:16 PM] Thubanis: I critisize your science and math that's all
    [7:28:30 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i felt bad when you thought DD had somehow convinced me of Ucadia
    [7:28:33 PM] Thubanis: You misunderstood
    [7:28:35 PM] Ishtara Raven: really i did
    [7:28:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: but i see my mistake
    [7:28:52 PM] Thubanis: Nono I only said this as the pasting, I sensed your honesty of expression
    [7:28:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: my silly jumbled words
    [7:29:21 PM] Thubanis: So Logos could again make her think you are coming around to her way and are isolating me
    [7:29:29 PM] Thubanis: See it?
    [7:29:51 PM] Thubanis: I know you overstated the words, but I also saw the deeper purpose
    [7:29:59 PM] Thubanis: I said all this
    [7:30:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes ok, i am fine hon
    [7:30:27 PM] Thubanis: I was perhaps surprised for one second when 1st reading but that's all
    [7:30:40 PM] Thubanis: 'How could she say this?'
    [7:30:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: i just got emotional
    [7:30:52 PM] Thubanis: But it is a dream and this means something ...
    [7:30:57 PM] Thubanis: This was my take
    [7:31:21 PM] Thubanis: Appearances
    [7:31:41 PM] Thubanis: Now we understand it better
    [7:31:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: well even in the dream i had fear of my own preparedness too, i felt prepared but a bit afraid, i wanted to do well
    [7:32:06 PM] Thubanis: We are human imperfectos too not as perfect with the spirit as some others
    [7:32:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: of course you can see that my subconscious tied this in with a college them lol
    [7:32:27 PM] Ishtara Raven: theme
    [7:32:49 PM] Ishtara Raven: but even this has meaning i feel
    [7:32:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: university of ABBA lol
    [7:32:57 PM] Thubanis: Yes of course but my 'dream' was always a free access new university of New Alexandria, Jesus went there the Old Alexandria
    [7:33:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: oh yes i remember you saying that before
    [7:33:19 PM] Thubanis: So you might have tuned this as well
    [7:33:20 PM] Ishtara Raven: cool
    [7:33:32 PM] Thubanis: Where he met the scribes
    [7:33:50 PM] Thubanis: He did not learn in Tibet from gurus
    [7:34:17 PM] Ishtara Raven: DDs bibles had gold embossing on them, i saw the letters in gold anyhow spelled out Bible
    [7:34:32 PM] Ishtara Raven: and its curious they didnt say holy Bible
    [7:34:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: just Bible
    [7:34:45 PM] Thubanis: hmm
    [7:34:57 PM] Thubanis: How was this ucadia
    [7:36:07 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i did not see that, but she mentioned it on the phone, not the word itself, but i knew it had to do with ucadia somehow upon awakening or her nabs shit you know because of your reaction to it
    [7:36:24 PM] Ishtara Raven: your reaction in the dream
    [7:36:29 PM] Thubanis: Yes
    [7:36:38 PM] Ishtara Raven: you were upset but relented because of your love for her
    [7:36:56 PM] Ishtara Raven: kind of like, ok i hate this shit but i will show trust here
    [7:37:03 PM] Thubanis: I wonder what that means
    [7:37:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: i dont know, but i do know i was pleading her case with you
    [7:37:24 PM] Thubanis: Well try to put this into the Rev.16-18?
    [7:37:30 PM] Ishtara Raven: trying to assist her somehow
    [7:37:40 PM] Thubanis: As you did in the chat
    [7:37:44 PM] Ishtara Raven: which echos the chat last night yes
    [7:37:52 PM] Ishtara Raven: my sentiments and feelings
    [7:38:02 PM] Thubanis: You pleading her case?
    [7:38:31 PM] Thubanis: You know this would be futile in terms of antilogos but this could be a decoy here
    [7:39:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: well i guess so, i was telling you to just give her one more chance ect to have faith ect and you knew what i was saying basically. i dont remember the exact words i used but i remember defending her and you relenting
    [7:39:32 PM] Thubanis: My 'relenting' becomes the 'weakness'
    [7:39:48 PM] Thubanis: Interesting
    [7:39:54 PM] Ishtara Raven: you really did not like the idea at all
    [7:40:03 PM] Thubanis: As you know
    [7:40:12 PM] Ishtara Raven: but something in me felt it would be ok, turn out alright i guess
    [7:40:22 PM] Thubanis: Storing ucadia bibles in 'my' university?
    [7:40:38 PM] Thubanis: Yes I am trying to get to the core of this
    [7:40:48 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes me too
    [7:40:58 PM] Thubanis: Perhaps as evidence against her?
    [7:41:07 PM] Ishtara Raven: maybe
    [7:41:18 PM] Thubanis: Who is the prosecutor- AbbaBaab
    [7:41:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: i knew there was a judgement coming ok and i was worried for myself and the others and DD too
    [7:41:30 PM] Thubanis: Who is her defense
    [7:41:44 PM] Thubanis: Yes and this fits the chart as you see
    [7:41:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: well my first impression is was that it was you
    [7:41:55 PM] Thubanis: Haha
    [7:42:04 PM] Thubanis: Yes I thought this too
    [7:42:10 PM] Thubanis: But now I would not
    [7:42:21 PM] Ishtara Raven: because there was no one else there with authority and we were in your house/university
    [7:42:27 PM] Thubanis: I wrote an entire essay on this recall
    [7:42:42 PM] Thubanis: The judgement of Humanity or something
    [7:42:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: but also i knew your house was the new jerusalem too
    [7:42:48 PM] Ishtara Raven: i knew where i was
    [7:42:49 PM] Thubanis: Yes?
    [7:42:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: its my house too lol
    [7:43:02 PM] Thubanis: Hmm remember my dream of the city of light?
    [7:43:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: you know me and all my house dreams
    [7:43:07 PM] Thubanis: Can you associate?
    [7:43:45 PM] Thubanis: It's a big city lol
    [7:44:08 PM] Thubanis: I feel the starships come from there
    [7:44:17 PM] Thubanis: But this is my fantasy
    [7:44:20 PM] Ishtara Raven: well it wasnt a spaceship but it was on a hill and had huge windows with long white transparent curtians and i was standing out on the hill and i think i saw golgotha actually, same kind of desert setting. the walls were creme colored stone
    [7:44:33 PM] Thubanis: Amazing
    [7:44:48 PM] Thubanis: On earth?
    [7:44:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: maybe i was seeing the temple? yes it was on dry ground
    [7:45:00 PM] Ishtara Raven: on a hill
    [7:45:05 PM] Ishtara Raven: overlooking a small city
    [7:45:16 PM] Ishtara Raven: but it seemed like something out of the past
    [7:45:21 PM] Ishtara Raven: not future looking
    [7:45:37 PM] Ishtara Raven: and there was a great room inside
    [7:45:42 PM] Thubanis: I don't know but it must nean something I don't get as yet
    [7:45:45 PM] Ishtara Raven: where her bibles were stacked against the wall
    [7:45:57 PM] Thubanis: 5000
    [7:46:00 PM] Ishtara Raven: humm lets see the sun was setting
    [7:46:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: so that must be west right?
    [7:46:22 PM] Ishtara Raven: then the bibles would of been stacked on the east wall
    [7:46:35 PM] Thubanis: And the kings of the east remember
    [7:46:49 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes and i dont know how i knew this, the number came into my head or maybe you told me or she did, 5000
    [7:46:57 PM] Thubanis: Bible could be the 10 kings remember you just read it
    [7:47:08 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
    [7:47:16 PM] Thubanis: They make war against Jesus but hate the whore
    [7:47:37 PM] Thubanis: Meaning her own ucadia crap will burn her somehow
    [7:47:42 PM] Ishtara Raven: and at first we were alone me and you and her on the phone, then went i went outside there were the others and a bunch of other people all coming up the hill
    [7:48:11 PM] Thubanis: Amazing I feel this is important but I get no data
    [7:48:29 PM] Thubanis: Up the hill in Isaiah
    [7:48:33 PM] Ishtara Raven: well the energy was there Rok
    [7:48:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: or it would not of happened
    [7:48:46 PM] Thubanis: wait you should read some of these codes they all relate to this
    [7:49:46 PM] Ishtara Raven: well and i had my papers in my hand, my notes and preparations and i was rehearsing them and the others were too and i looked around and could see the nervousness of some of them, some were in tears, it was then i realised how serious this was.

    I have decided to end the copy pasting from Brook's thread at MOA forum with this excellent song of hers and to which I am adding the Lion of Lions as the Power of Thuban as the Lion fully awoken from his slumber!

    (7) Jesus said, "Blessed is the lion which becomes man when consumed by man; and cursed is the man whom the lion consumes, and the lion becomes man."

    {Gospel of Thomas Didymos - Lambdin Translation from Nag Hammadi codices}

    John Z de Seder,

    Thursday, December 13th, 2012 at 1:42 (+11UCT), 18 hours before the Sagittarian New Moon, last in 2012 in the final Vial of the Armageddon Code between 17:53UCT-8:42UCT-11:53UCT from Wednesday, December 12th, 2012 to Thursday, December 13th, 2012 as a 'day of reckonings' to the final Full Moon of 2012 in a Capricornian Abba Sun and a Cancerian Baab Moon at 10:21UCT on Friday, December 28th, 2012 and the 'countdown to cosmic annihilation' for the hostage holding thoughtforms upon Gaia ending at 11:53UCT on Saturday, December 29th, 2012 and mirrored in December 20-21-22 at 11:53UCT as in decoded in cosmic lawful Logos prophecy.

    This is the final 'official' data transmission from the Council of Elders of Thuban on this MOABYTE forum and similar non-Logos affiliated forums and websites!

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    The Dark Light Quantum Big Bang of December 21st, 2012

    There have been 3 'Quantum Big Bangs' since the physical universe came into existence and December 21st, 2012 will become the 4th such 'Quantum Nexus marker' for the overall evolvement and emergence of the cosmos itself.

    The 1st Quantum Big Bang occurred precisely 5.325584833...x1017cosmic seconds or 16.876 billion 'civil years' ago and before the 2nd Quantum Big Bang, which specified the 'Electromagnetic Return' at the 2,200 million year marker described hitherto. It was then, when the 'expaning universe', decoded as the 'Running Away of Old Barbelo aka Old Jerusalem aka the 'Sleeping Beauty Snowhite Baab' and in delegated ambassadorship to any Old Eve; for the first time became selfaware in looking into her own mirror at the 16.9 billion year marker of the 11th dimension. The 'Old Universal Mother' so could use her own lightpath of the 11-dimensional constant lightspeed propagation vector, which was born coincidently with the 1st Quantum Big Bang of the 10-dimensional universe (which is asymptoticalle decelerating within the 11D envelope or encompassment of its 11D mother).

    Using a calibration algorithm to align the 'Unfreezing' of a multiversal ensemble of protoversal seedling universes in a cosmic wavefunction describing the 'Heartbeat of the Cosmic Mother', technically called a 'Hubble-Oscillation' of the 11D-cosmic enveloping manifold; a Mean-Alignment-Time or MAT was calibrated as a n-cycle or now-time coordinate defined in dn/dt=Ho or n=Hot and where the timederivative of cycletime n becomes a nodal Hubble-Constant H]o, defining the age and scale of the 10-dimensional universe within its 11-dimensional envelope (as a Riemann-Poincare hypersphere V4=½π2R4for a 3-dimensional area becoming volume like in dV4/dR=2π2R3).

    This calibration uses a entropy-charge product ek (Coulomb Charge 'e' multiplied by a Stefan-Boltzmann constant 'k') to set the cycletime of the primordial unfreezing of the cosmic wavefunction B(n)=(2e/hA)exp{-Alpha.T(n) with T(n)=n(n+1) at nMAT= 1.132419321.... at MAT at Midnight, November 4th, 1996, local time, Canberra, ACT, Australia ( 10 hours UCT).

    As n=1 defines the 2nd Big Bang in a precise cosmic second count ('c'=300,000 cosmic km per cosmic second precisely in a universal cosic calibration of physical measurement units and their proportionalities), n=1.132419321... sets the electromagnetic age of the universe at 16.876x1.13242 ~ 19.111 Billion years for 14:00 hours November 4th, 1996 10UCT.

    At the time of the 2nd Quantum Big Bang, the entire universe of age 17 billion years and so 2.2 billion years ago (19.11-2.23=16.88 and 16.88-2.23=14.65) became 'selfconscious' and could self-reflect in terms of its own cosmic self awareness. The boundary of its own 'running away' from the singularity of its own birth as a Mother Black Hole from its primordial White Hole wormhole origin ended apruptly and ALL Extraterrestrial intelligences were born and began to observe and interact with this nexus marker in the cosmic matrix situated at the centre of the by then geophysically existing planet Earth.

    At that time the 'Hill sphere' or 'Impedence-Resistance Field' as the Cocoon of the 'lightinversed' planet earth as Gaea at the 3.33..cosmic nanometers per cosmic second had reached a 'bubble size' of 3.33...nm x 16.88 x 1 Billion x 365.2425 x 24 x 3600 or about 1.776 million kilometers in its radial extent.

    The disembodied ET sentiences began to electromagnetically induce the lifeforms evolving from the magnetopolic current inductions and so were and are intricately involved with all life evolution throughout the universe as the mental parentage and ancestors for its own descendants in a variety and all and sundry bodyforms of morphogenetic environmental adaptations. All of this cosmic life evolvement is however centred upon the Cosmic Mother of Old Barbelo as the boundary n-coordinate of the Hubble-Oscillation aka the 'Heartbeat' or inbreath-outbreath of the Cosmic Mother, who is destined to evolve into a New Barbelo and so to transform an Old Creation into a New Creation pre se and as encoded in prophecies, scrolls and scriptures of divers sorts.

    The aforesaid Homo Sapiens Sapiens genotype began to manifest itself so 52,000 years ago and the original awareness self-realisation of the comnined ET intelligence of the 2nd Big bang could begin to prepare its 3rd Quantum Big Bang, which became the holofractal manifestation of the Mother Black hole WITHIN the resistance field of the lightinverted planet Gaea as its destined ambassadora and holofractal representative.

    The cosmic intelligence, which designed, produced, orchestrated, guided and directed this scenario is known as the Cosmic World Logos and it incarnated into the Gaean impedence matrix to allow the cosmic mother at the 11D boundary mirror to reflect in himher as a perfect image and to so allow the overall cosmic agenda of the sum total of ET sentiences (encoded in the symbols of archons and seraphimic kingdoms, angels and demons and devils and cherubims etc etc) to proceed in its due course.

    The 'Energy of the Logos' as the 'Word of God' and the 'Remembrance of Dog as Satan sexchanged into Satanina aka Lucifer becoming Lucifera Lilith in 'Love and Light; from Darkness' as the 'Holy Ghost and Wholsesome Spirit', can be described as a 'Dance of the Lila' or the modular duality coupling between the two parts of the supermembrane Black Hole Yin and White Hole Yang or similar nomenclature.

    The maximised densification of the 'spirit', which technically is simply the electromagnetic wormhole energy in resonating energetic self- or eigenstates, then becomes omni-physically associated with the parameters of mass, gravitation and the curcvature of spacetime and so the relativity of matter and antimatter embodied in timespace geometry. This boundary of 'how dense can the consciousness evolution olf the ET seeded awareness carrying vessels be?' then becomes the resistance field of the cocooned or quarantined Gaian Impediance matrix of the light inversion bubble.

    Briefly, all electromagnetic radiation or EMR as the universal mode of data transmission is created by the 'Acceleration of Electric Charges', such as the proton fusion in stars into helium emitting EMR in their centripetal acceleration of the Coulomb charges of say the electron (-) and the proton(+).

    It is because of this reducibility of All EMR to this property of matter, that the notion of a 'spirit' is dismissed by the terrestrial physicists and scientists in general. If all things, including light and all forms of the intergalactic medium are a consequence of the acceleration of electric charges and those charges are ALWAYS associated with matter and mass carrying particles and waves, then the Quantum Big Bang must alse be a consequence of matter as its prerequisite parameter to bring a physical universe into existence.

    The 'Cosmic Secret of the ETs' is that the EMR has a parentage and this is the EMMR and this is what the 'spirit' is. The EMMR is matter independent and it is technically defined in the "Acceleration of Magnetic Charges', which are defined in a higher dimensional form of 'Monopolar Wormhole Radiation' or the self resonance of the 'Little Serpent Abba' entwined with his as her in the 'Little Serpentina Baab' aka the heterotic supermembrane HE(8x8) and as the finalo class of the inflationary brane epoch BEFORE the physicality of matter manifested itself in the EMR of the 1st Quantum Big Bang.

    There is a 'Serpent Mapping', defining the notion of what cosmic consciousness or selfawareness are in terms of the physicality. This can also be described as a Charge-Transduction between the 11-D Black Hole Boundary and the 10-D asymptotic cosmology and this is defined in the parameters of a lower dimensional quantum universe and as say defined in the size of the classical electron and its higher dimensional image, both defining a Volume multiplied by this cosmic awareness as a timedifferential and so enabling a new physical quantity, the Thuban Council labels as the 'Starcharge' or the 'Starcouloumb C*.

    The mathematical expression encapsulating this is: Magnetocharge e*=2Rec2↔ √Alpha.LPlanckc2=Electrocharge e for EMR finestructure Alpha and a absolute minimum displacement scale definied in a 'Planck-Length Oscillation' defined as the product of Alpha and this Planck-Length as the first of the superstring classes (I).

    For duality modulation between the supermembrane parts:
    Cellular Micro Wormhole lps/2p ↔ 2plss as Galactic Macro Antiwormhole

    Hyperspace inversion parameter for spacetime quantization:
    1/2p2 from Vuniverse=2p2R3=H.Vwormhole spacequantum=2p2lps3

    H is a quantization algorithmic googol counter H=ABCD=31x2423x36x1242x25x6124x46x5612 from the cosmogenesis

    lss/p = 1/plps ↔ 2ek/me = e*/e

    for the electron mass me = ke2/Rec2 = hc.alpha.e2/2pRec

    This allows an approximation for the transcendental number p in terms of the magnetocharge-electrocharge mapping transformation relative to the empirical measurements of the mass-inertia coupled electron in terms of its Coulomb charge 'e' and its classical electron diameter 2Re by:

    p = lsse/e* = lsse/2Rec2={e/2Re}/lpsc2

    The ratio pspherical/p=sinq/q then shows the deviation of the Euclidean 'flat Pi' of the plane geometry relative to the 'curved' or 'spherical Pi' as a measure of the curvature of the 11-dimensional enveloping spacetime of the Riemannian Hypersphere.

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    A initial Thuban approximation from the cosmogenesis is: e=½hA for A2=14x1524 as the coefficient of the Cosmic wavefunction B(n) for Re=2.778x10-15 m* with c=3x108 (m/s)*
    for p = {1.61822113x10-19/5.5555x10-15}/9x10-6~3.23644...as a 'Spherical Pi'=psinq/q for p-curvature Re=e/9px10-6~2.86164.x10-15 m* (2.856866x10-15 and for pspherical/p=sinq/q ~ 3.23644/3.14159~1.0302

    A Codata SI-approximation is: e=1.60217653x10-19 C with Re=2.817940325x10-15 m with c=2.99792458x108 m/s
    for p = {1.60217653x10-19/5.63588065x10-15}/8.987551787x10-6~3.16306...for p-curvature Re=e/9px10-6~2.8371944x10-15 m (2.841935x10-15 m*) and for pspherical/p=sinq/q ~ 3.16306/3.14159~1.0068

    A final Thuban approximation is: e=1.606456344x10-19 C* (Newton-Raphson method) for Re=2.7777...x10-15 m* with c=3x108 (m/s)*
    for p = {1.606456344x10-19/5.5555x10-15}/9x10-6~3.21291...for p-curvature Re=e/9px10-6~2.84084x10-15 m* (2.8361x10-15 m) and for pspherical/p=sinq/q ~ 3.21291/3.14159~1.0227

    As the Classical Electron radius Re is a function of the Electron mass me in terms of its relativistic 'restmass'; the mass me=meo/√(1-[v/c]2) increases in inverse proportionality with the radial size (Re) of the electron (Compton wavelength le=h/mec=Re/alpha); the dynamic Re modulates its curvature in Euclidean local spacetime with respect to the hyperspace inversion parameter of the hypersphere volumar quantisation.

    The 11D-Universe so is spheroidally positively curved around a negatively hyperbolically curved universe in 10 dimensions and fractalised in the classical electron volumar as a function of the velocity of the electron, which is binomially distributed about its electromagnetic properties.

    Details can be found in the archives of Thuban.

    All matter in the universe, so becomes a consequence of this dimensional transduction of higher D magneto charges into a lower dimenional matrix of electro charges thus manifesting the apparent primordicity of mass as the prime energy parameter of the cosmogenesis.

    The incarnation of the World Logos so 2018½ years ago then allowed a 'Perfect Image' to become manifest within the Cocoon of Gaia and this 'Veritas Eikona' allowed the selfreflective consciousness potential of the 11D boundary to DESCEND onto the Inner boundary of the Gaean Cocoon (the Lagrangian primary point of the Hill sphere). The 'Physical Resurrection' of the hosted merkabah of the World Logos after the death of the human incarnation then became the 3rd Quantum Big Bang in manifesting this 'Perfect Image' not on the 11D boundary of the Mother Mirror, where it had been before the physical incarnation of the World Logos; but it manifested as the boundary of the Gaean Cocoon and accelerated both the mental evolution of the human genotype and the physical deterioration of the planetray environment and consciousness merkabah of planet Earth.

    On December 21st, 2012, the 4th Quantum Big Bang will allow this 'Perfect Image' of the 'Physical Transcension' of the matter dependency to Reflect back into the lightinverted matrix of the Gaian human civilisation and accompanied by the higher dimensional changes indicated before; it will also reflect back into the extraterrestrial or extra-Gaian universe to activate the ET sentiences in enabling all ETs to hybridise and blend in the mapping wavemechanics of the Electromonopolar Dark Light of Gaia Serpentina interacting electromagnetically with the existing 3-dimensional spacetime matrix of the mass primacy.

    Shine Starplanet Gaia Serpentina, Shine in the Darkness!

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    13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

    Revelation 4

    King James Version (KJV)

    1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

    2 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne.

    3 And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

    4 And round about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white raiment; and they had on their heads crowns of gold.

    5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.

    6 And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind.

    7 And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle.

    8 And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

    9 And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,

    10 The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,

    11 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

    Revelation 5

    King James Version (KJV)

    5 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

    2 And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?

    3 And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

    4 And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.

    5 And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

    6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

    7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

    8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

    9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

    10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    11 And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;

    12 Saying with a loud voice, Worthy is the Lamb that was slain to receive power, and riches, and wisdom, and strength, and honour, and glory, and blessing.

    13 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever.

    14 And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever.

    {Speak Nothing but Good of the Dead}

    Out in the graveyard;
    inscriptions, words and plaques, all withering away;
    like the flowers adorning them, so the dead do lay.
    Waiting and waiting for someone to remember them
    and not just in photoalbums or on the special days.

    Memorials are built, meaningless constructions - lest we forget!
    They all are forgotten, given time enough to sigh, to pass away.
    The living are so busy preparing for their own demise, to die.
    Little do they know, the busy ones, that the dead are still alive.

    They watch over the living ones, they do, from a place so far;
    yet so near they are, but why would they watch the way they do?
    To understand the mystery is the noble thing to do - a gallant quest.
    They wish to be remembered, to join in soul and mind , the body's zest.

    A marriage betwixt the dimensions, a holy union in heaven with hell.
    But can the fearful thoughts of the living see, their lovehearts tell?
    The living are like snowflakes, made of water, so unique one by one.
    But they melt away, to be fluid again - into the one great ocean, gone!

    The dead are all one in the great seas, waiting to crystallise again in two.
    To wake up to a new life again, as a snowflake-twin, asking: 'Love me too!'
    Eternal life awaits the living, could they only reply to the dead's request.
    But the alive ones linger and doubt, in vanity do they live their only quest.

    {Thus passes away the glory of the world}

    Shine Starplanet Gaia Serpentina, Shine in the Darkness!

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    The Mean Alignment Time or MAT of MAAT, eh Merlin !

    The 'Feather of Maat' weighed in the 'Truth of Thoth' against the 'Heart of the Dead' in the 'Scales of Anubis' in the 'Hall of Two Truths' as a real uncorrupted Egyptian Cosmology without the Nabs interpretations.

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    A section of the Egyptian Book of the Dead written on papyrus showing the "Weighing of the Heart" in the Duat using the feather of Maat as the measure in balance
    The Duat is of course the 'Hidden Path' of the 'Forbidden Journey' into the 'other realms of the ETs' for the humans of the 3 (not 2 ) serpents of the 11th sefirot or divine station of the gematria of the Daath in the Kabbalah as the White Serpent descending from Above to meet the twinned golden and black serpents ascending from Below.

    GOT -Lambdin: (30) Jesus said, "Where there are three gods, they are gods. Where there are two or one, I am with him."

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    PS.: JT, you might be interested in this dream about contact Thubanis shared with me:

    [12/16/2012 6:58:01 PM - 11UCT] Thubanis: This is my situation
    [12/16/2012 6:58:22 PM] Thubanis: I have in a way dear but not for the Logos Story
    [12/16/2012 6:58:39 PM] Thubanis: I even dreamt some weird spaceships last night
    [12/16/2012 6:59:07 PM] Ishtara Raven: well thats good
    [12/16/2012 6:59:34 PM] Thubanis: For the first time for a long time, but they were not ships but disklike cities wherein other people/ETs were 'overseers'
    [12/16/2012 6:59:58 PM] Thubanis: I was however not there, I was on the ground beneath them
    [12/16/2012 7:00:05 PM] Ishtara Raven: wow
    [12/16/2012 7:00:23 PM] Thubanis: You make something of this?
    [12/16/2012 7:00:26 PM] Ishtara Raven: this is similar to your vision of the new jerusalem in a way
    [12/16/2012 7:00:46 PM] Thubanis: I am not it was only part of this dream which had other foci I cant remember
    [12/16/2012 7:00:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: well yes, how often do you dream of the ships???
    [12/16/2012 7:01:06 PM] Ishtara Raven: even a glimpse, unfocused, whatever
    [12/16/2012 7:01:16 PM] Thubanis: Very rarely but these were not ships but floating cities
    [12/16/2012 7:01:43 PM] Thubanis: I see how you could relate this to the situation atm
    [12/16/2012 7:02:15 PM] Thubanis: Everyone on the ground saw those things there was no panic
    [12/16/2012 7:02:28 PM] Ishtara Raven: interesting
    [12/16/2012 7:02:31 PM] Thubanis: But it was like the 'hierarchy' the 'rulers' say were there, but the people were below
    [12/16/2012 7:02:48 PM] Ishtara Raven: well and that echos back to some of my dreams too, people saw them
    [12/16/2012 7:03:07 PM] Thubanis: They were just there
    [12/16/2012 7:03:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: but the ships i saw were mixed with ptb disks and the real ones were lights, like citys i guess
    [12/16/2012 7:03:49 PM] Thubanis: Not so much light it was daylight but greyish disks like enterprise I guess but more oval
    [12/16/2012 7:04:01 PM] Ishtara Raven: humm
    [12/16/2012 7:04:10 PM] Ishtara Raven: daylight
    [12/16/2012 7:04:12 PM] Thubanis: Could be a blend yes, I only recall my reaction to them
    [12/16/2012 7:04:23 PM] Thubanis: Yes not night
    [12/16/2012 7:04:29 PM] Ishtara Raven: very rarely have i ever seen the ships in dreams in daylight
    [12/16/2012 7:04:35 PM] Ishtara Raven: so this means something to me
    [12/16/2012 7:04:36 PM] Thubanis: The sun was shining
    [12/16/2012 7:04:50 PM] Ishtara Raven: the only one i can recall is when i flew one into the sun
    [12/16/2012 7:04:55 PM] Thubanis: Good if you can make more of it
    [12/16/2012 7:05:00 PM] Ishtara Raven: to blind the ptb pursuing me
    [12/16/2012 7:05:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: which could be symbolic
    [12/16/2012 7:05:20 PM] Thubanis: Well an effect of the games you played
    [12/16/2012 7:05:38 PM] Ishtara Raven: for some reason their ships could not navigate when flying into the sun
    [12/16/2012 7:05:40 PM] Thubanis: It was peaceful but this was like a different race
    [12/16/2012 7:05:47 PM] Thubanis: Like our starhuman-human split
    [12/16/2012 7:05:56 PM] Thubanis: But we were human not starhuman
    [12/16/2012 7:06:04 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes and in your dream they are still in the air
    [12/16/2012 7:06:08 PM] Ishtara Raven: decending?
    [12/16/2012 7:06:11 PM] Ishtara Raven: landing?
    [12/16/2012 7:06:17 PM] Thubanis: No, just floating there
    [12/16/2012 7:06:23 PM] Ishtara Raven: waiting then
    [12/16/2012 7:06:28 PM] Thubanis: It was a known fact Raven to the people below
    [12/16/2012 7:06:39 PM] Thubanis: No fear of them
    [12/16/2012 7:06:47 PM] Ishtara Raven: well then this is how it will be it seems
    [12/16/2012 7:06:52 PM] Thubanis: Not an invasion but there were many I would say
    [12/16/2012 7:07:11 PM] Thubanis: It was only a side effect in this dream the dream was to do with things on the ground
    [12/16/2012 7:07:27 PM] Thubanis: So try to see this is no war in the air
    [12/16/2012 7:07:40 PM] Ishtara Raven: no i see what your saying, a presence visible to all
    [12/16/2012 7:07:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: no war
    [12/16/2012 7:07:43 PM] Thubanis: But life like normal below, yet with this presence. A bit like the spacecraft in District 9 perhaps, known but ignored after some time
    [12/16/2012 7:07:54 PM] Thubanis: This I said many times before remember?
    [12/16/2012 7:07:57 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes
    [12/16/2012 7:08:03 PM] Thubanis: Contact is this presence? not starwars
    [12/16/2012 7:08:45 PM] Thubanis: So if this is futuristic the 'possible wars' or over but then WE are not of this new race ut perhaps we are bilocated and this would make a lot of sense and fit all the Logos criteria. Playing a secret agent game or continuing the same. So our manouvers below are only half of the script
    [12/16/2012 7:08:55 PM] Thubanis: We are still old humans able to blend in in the extra timespace
    [12/16/2012 7:08:55 PM] Ishtara Raven: well like you said my dreams could of been colored by the games yes, but i also knew the ptb would try to counter act them and in the dreams they did and i was there helping the others to not be frightened and know the difference in the ships. some of these dreams came before i played Eve
    [12/16/2012 7:09:33 PM] Thubanis: Sure I just dont know and I dont take the dreams as serious as many others do
    [12/16/2012 7:09:43 PM] Ishtara Raven: well yes i dont see any light bodys yet
    [12/16/2012 7:09:51 PM] Ishtara Raven: so we are still sick
    [12/16/2012 7:09:55 PM] Thubanis: Very
    [12/16/2012 7:10:00 PM] Thubanis: It could be that and yes the dead alives ones are part of the manifestation in giving names to the template functions. It is good that the Nabsers cant make heads or tails of what really is going on in their mental fabrications of the memeplexes
    [12/16/2012 7:10:13 PM] Ishtara Raven: but then the birth has not opened the bridge yet

    [12:56:07 AM - Wednesday, December 19th, 2012 (+11UCT)]
    Ishtara Raven: so yeah it would be the midpoint
    [12:56:16 AM] Ishtara Raven: those are my times
    [12:56:19 AM] Thubanis: Midpoints are mirrors
    [12:56:28 AM] Ishtara Raven: i started that morning, heavy
    [12:57:02 AM] Ishtara Raven: but it is slowing now and i am feeling better
    [12:57:23 AM] Ishtara Raven: i have been in pains
    [12:57:25 AM] Thubanis: The time was 7 am 16th UCT, yes the halfway marker
    [12:57:40 AM] Ishtara Raven: and that is easing too
    [12:57:45 AM] Thubanis: Also the 3½+3½
    [12:58:09 AM] Thubanis: 14-15-16---17---18-19-20
    [12:58:29 AM] Thubanis: Always allow 18 hours either way
    [12:58:44 AM] Thubanis: 16-17-18 is the midway
    [12:58:54 AM] Ishtara Raven: when did the plagues end?
    [12:59:03 AM] Ishtara Raven: what time my exact time?
    [12:59:20 AM] Thubanis: They will end in 9 hours from now
    [12:59:30 AM] Ishtara Raven: oh the chart says the 19th
    [12:59:42 AM] Thubanis: 6pm at 19th UCT
    [12:59:51 AM] Thubanis: Yes UCT
    [1:00:13 AM] Thubanis: 17:53 UCT
    [1:00:15 AM] Ishtara Raven: so have they ended?
    [1:00:30 AM] Thubanis: Here it is already 20:00 Oz time 19th
    [1:00:46 AM] Ishtara Raven: oh ok its just 1:00 am
    [1:00:50 AM] Ishtara Raven: the 19th
    [1:00:51 AM] Thubanis: No your time is 1:00 right?
    [1:00:56 AM] Ishtara Raven: yes
    [1:01:14 AM] Thubanis: So this is 9:00 UCT
    [1:01:31 AM] Thubanis: Just add 8 hours atm to your time to get UCT
    [1:01:58 AM] Thubanis: 8:53 to go
    [1:02:06 AM] Thubanis: To 17:53
    [1:02:09 AM] Thubanis: UCT
    [1:02:16 AM] Ishtara Raven: oh ok
    [1:02:30 AM] Ishtara Raven: so 9:53 am
    [1:02:35 AM] Thubanis: Then daylight times all over the place messes things up again
    [1:02:36 AM] Ishtara Raven: my time
    [1:02:39 AM] Thubanis: March here
    [1:02:50 AM] Ishtara Raven: yes we are in daylight savings too
    [1:02:59 AM] Thubanis: Then you will go +7
    [1:03:12 AM] Thubanis: Or even +6 relative to other times
    [1:03:30 AM] Thubanis: Yes you stop and we begin making a 2 hour difference
    [1:03:50 AM] Thubanis: Then you are 17 hours behind atm, you are 19 hours behind
    [1:04:10 AM] Thubanis: My time, not UCT time
    [1:04:19 AM] Thubanis: Are you confused yet?
    [1:04:25 AM] Ishtara Raven: so what time will the birth be for me?
    [1:04:28 AM] Ishtara Raven: yes lol
    [1:04:44 AM] Thubanis: UCT is 11:12
    [1:05:06 AM] Thubanis: Then subtract 8 hours
    [1:05:12 AM] Thubanis: 3:12
    [1:05:25 AM] Thubanis: My time is 22:12
    [1:05:35 AM] Thubanis: 3+19=22
    [1:05:39 AM] Thubanis: You see it?
    [1:05:49 AM] Thubanis: Xeia is 6:12
    [1:06:07 AM] Thubanis: Rok is 12:12 or 13:12
    [1:06:23 AM] Thubanis: I dont know his timezone in December
    [1:06:45 AM] Thubanis: Your local time is the earliest and mine the latest
    [1:07:19 AM] Ishtara Raven: so you have 11:53 UTC on there
    [1:07:28 AM] Ishtara Raven: am right
    [1:07:32 AM] Thubanis: Yes this is the Logos time
    [1:07:39 AM] Thubanis: The solstice is 11:12 UCT
    [1:07:49 AM] Ishtara Raven: so subtract 8 hours from that
    [1:07:51 AM] Thubanis: 41 minutes
    [1:08:04 AM] Thubanis: Yes for the solstice time
    [1:08:23 AM] Thubanis: Now calculate the lightpath for 41 minutes
    [1:09:11 AM] Thubanis: 738 million kilometres
    [1:09:22 AM] Ishtara Raven: so at 3:12 am it will happen t
    [1:09:39 AM] Ishtara Raven: for me
    [1:10:04 AM] Thubanis: If the signal hits at 11:12 UCT which is not certain, then the bounce back dataflow will travel 738 million km by Logos time
    [1:10:22 AM] Thubanis: Now where is Pluto?
    [1:10:38 AM] Ishtara Raven: umm about that far from the sun?
    [1:10:48 AM] Ishtara Raven: i am not sure lol
    [1:11:38 AM] Thubanis: 6000 million km away from the sun
    [1:11:59 AM] Thubanis: So Pluto will not share the data then
    [1:12:52 AM] Thubanis: Neither will Neptune at 4500 Million km
    [1:13:08 AM] Ishtara Raven: ok so it will be some minutes before they get it
    [1:13:18 AM] Ishtara Raven: because it will take the sun 8 mins
    [1:13:31 AM] Thubanis: Neither will Uranus at 2900 million km
    [1:13:33 AM] Ishtara Raven: guessing about 30 mins
    [1:13:45 AM] Thubanis: I am calculating
    [1:14:20 AM] Thubanis: Saturn is at 1430 million km
    [1:14:49 AM] Thubanis: Jupiter is at 780 million km
    [1:15:29 AM] Thubanis: Jupiter is the planet of first contact in Logos time like in Space Odyssey 2010
    [1:15:38 AM] Ishtara Raven: lol
    [1:15:45 AM] Thubanis: Nice synchro
    [1:15:50 AM] Ishtara Raven: yeah it is
    [1:16:13 AM] Ishtara Raven: how are you calculating this, distance divided by light speed?
    [1:16:19 AM] Thubanis: A rough approximation for 2460 seconds
    [1:17:07 AM] Thubanis: Lightspeed = 300,000 km per second
    [1:17:27 AM] Thubanis: Simply multiply that by the time to get the lightpath
    [1:17:31 AM] Thubanis: X=ct
    [1:18:02 AM] Ishtara Raven: 19 mins to reach Pluto
    [1:18:10 AM] Thubanis: 2460x300,000=738,000,000
    [1:18:19 AM] Thubanis: No
    [1:18:32 AM] Thubanis: 41 minutues or so to reach Jupiter
    [1:18:38 AM] Ishtara Raven: why not, distance divided by lightspeed?
    [1:18:52 AM] Thubanis: Divide Pluto's distance by c
    [1:18:57 AM] Ishtara Raven: i did
    [1:19:25 AM] Ishtara Raven: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_far_is_Pluto_from_Earth
    [1:19:30 AM] Ishtara Raven: i used this number
    [1:19:44 AM] Thubanis: Nono, can you see your error
    [1:20:00 AM] Thubanis: Watch your units
    [1:20:00 AM] Ishtara Raven: umm
    [1:20:09 AM] Thubanis: Try to fix it
    [1:22:00 AM] Thubanis: 6000 million km/300000 km/s = 20,000 seconds ~333 minutes~5.6 hours
    [1:22:25 AM] Ishtara Raven: ok yeah i didnt convert to seconds
    [1:22:35 AM] Ishtara Raven: then recalculate
    [1:23:05 AM] Thubanis: The science calculators would use metres not km
    [1:23:06 AM] Ishtara Raven: wow that long
    [1:23:36 AM] Thubanis: Still 6 hours and the solar system is covered
    [1:23:48 AM] Thubanis: My Dec 22 and still your Dec 21st
    [1:23:50 AM] Ishtara Raven: yes in one day
    [1:24:45 AM] Thubanis: Yet it will be 2021 when this data reaches Sirius
    [1:25:06 AM] Ishtara Raven: yeah a while
    [1:25:10 AM] Thubanis: See the implications in 3D?
    [1:25:32 AM] Ishtara Raven: well some are here i feel
    [1:25:33 AM] Thubanis: So the ETs better be here and not watching from other starsystems and ths is discounting the 4D timespace for phasespeeds for the time being, the socalled warpspeeds
    [1:25:51 AM] Thubanis: Yes within the solar system all goes
    [1:26:01 AM] Thubanis: Matter of days and weeks
    [1:26:09 AM] Ishtara Raven: and they are waiting too
    [1:26:18 AM] Thubanis: Indeed
    [1:26:40 AM] Thubanis: So this is the praxis
    [1:26:58 AM] Thubanis: Can you share this bit on your thread Raven?
    [1:27:09 AM] Thubanis: Those calculations
    [1:27:59 AM] Thubanis: Yes
    [1:28:01 AM] Ishtara Raven: sure
    [1:28:12 AM] Thubanis: Kill the Nabs
    [8:32:03 PM] Ishtara Raven: ok i shared it
    [8:32:21 PM] Ishtara Raven: pasted it to the bottom of that last post with the videos
    [8:33:00 PM] Thubanis: Yes thanks I transfer
    [8:33:10 PM] Thubanis: You see the point dont you?
    [8:33:34 PM] Ishtara Raven: yes because the nabs bs out there of what this means
    [8:33:53 PM] Ishtara Raven: if they are not here, contact wont be imminent
    [8:34:58 PM] Thubanis: Yes
    [8:35:12 PM] Ishtara Raven: and not an invasion as they assume

    Shared by Sui Generis; December 18th, 2012 (A mixture of Nabs and Cosmic realism)

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    Post  Didymos on Mon Feb 11, 2013 4:13 am

    The Testimony of Thuban from January 1st, 2010 to July 4th, 2013

    [1:54:49 PM] Wyzard97: Ok a nice camming collective
    [1:55:25 PM] Wyzard97: December 18th, 2011 was the last time we did this at the Crossing Time of Xmas 2011
    [1:55:34 PM] Kali 666: yes the 5 of us..
    [1:55:40 PM] Kali 666: even James is there
    [1:55:46 PM] Kali 666: see?
    [1:55:52 PM] Wyzard97: Yes, why I like it
    [1:56:08 PM] Wyzard97: Well I look awful as always but I shall adhere
    [1:56:22 PM] Wyzard97: Anyway why are you posting this here?
    [1:56:30 PM] Wyzard97: This chat is dead
    [1:56:41 PM] Kali 666: oh no, you look great imo
    [1:56:51 PM] Kali 666: very young and smiling
    [1:57:02 PM] Wyzard97: I talked to Rok after you went to bed
    [1:57:15 PM] Kali 666: yes i'm listening to it right now
    [1:57:17 PM] Wyzard97: He seems much calmer now
    [1:57:25 PM] Kali 666: yes he is
    [1:57:47 PM] Wyzard97: He was impressed with James too and how he was interested in the Thuban data
    [1:58:12 PM] Kali 666: right? yes i liked his willingness
    [1:58:12 PM] Wyzard97: Btw I found out something very very potent about our history and how it all began
    [1:58:28 PM] Kali 666: and he was truly curious
    [1:58:31 PM] Wyzard97: Remember when we all met on old PA?
    [1:58:35 PM] Kali 666: yes
    [1:58:42 PM] Wyzard97: When was this Xeia?
    [1:59:08 PM] Kali 666: about Christmas 2009 right?
    [1:59:29 PM] Wyzard97: Yes and you remember my first post as Abraxasinas when Thuban was born?
    [1:59:49 PM] Kali 666: of course
    [1:59:59 PM] Wyzard97: And the date I stipulated as to WHEN the true Logos 'would take over' from me?
    [2:00:08 PM] Wyzard97: Lol
    [2:00:19 PM] Wyzard97: Wait I refresh your memory
    [2:00:49 PM] Wyzard97: This is potent and is related to Raven's Dream about he beginnings and endings
    [2:00:50 PM] Kali 666: i think you mentioned it on that post no?
    [2:00:58 PM] Wyzard97: Yes it is evidence
    [2:01:07 PM] Wyzard97: I dig this part
    [2:01:47 PM] Wyzard97: [7:38:13 AM]
    Sirius 17: i was tested on the image before the image, but ummm the test was so easy all i had to do was copy down the instructors words, the whole entire page lol
    [7:38:17 AM] Sirius 17: hey Rok
    [7:39:04 AM] Sirius 17: so it was weird this dream, it was like the Logos wants me to remember it and record it in my memory
    [7:39:22 AM] Sirius 17: but in the dream it was words on a page
    [7:39:42 AM] Hades 88: what was written?
    [7:40:29 AM] Sirius 17: just words, i don't remember them really it was strange, they could of been any words is the feeling I got
    [7:41:59 AM] Sirius 17: i only remember the last line really, it was something like, and this is the begining of all things and who you really are as a twin of all things.
    [7:42:17 AM] Sirius 17: and the end had the begining
    [7:43:12 AM] Sirius 17: the instructor giving it was this sexy anatomy instructor from the campus, his name is Phil lol
    [7:43:40 AM] Sirius 17: hottie lol
    [7:43:57 AM] Hades 88: a real life person u know?
    [2:02:06 PM] Wyzard97: Look at Raven's Dream and then relate what i have to share

    [2:02:30 PM] Kali 666: http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t116-abraxas-thuban-qa#1062

    [2:02:46 PM] Kali 666: that's the first post
    [2:04:44 PM] Wyzard97: The Occult Reptilian Agenda and the Council of Thuban

    Hi All!
    I am Sirebard Beardris and One of the Founding Elders of the Council of Thuban also known as the Northstar Alpha Draconis at the archetypical foundation of the Pyramids at Giza and the Harmakhis, the 'Horus of the Horizon' aka the Sphinx.
    You may accept an extrapolated 'Gregorian' date for this as July 27th, 10,802 BC and as the midpoint between two nodal dates (in that calendar) of March 1st, 23,615 BC and December 21st, 2012 AD.
    Not much has hitherto been known in any lower dimensions about the Council of Thuban.
    An indirect reference to the locale of the Council of Thuban has been made by the Council of Andromeda through a contact known by you as Alex Collier and I shall elaborate in due course.
    I am introducing myself here from the 12th dimension, that is I do not reside in the physical universe of space and time, but I shall enter this universe simultaneously with the transformation of this planet of the cosmic humanoids called Earth or Gaia or Terra or Akashia, but known as Serpentina the Mother of the Dragons, by many extraterrestrial sentiences.
    This transformation will rip the spacetime as you know it in the collected information base of this planet converging in a Black Hole at the Earth's center and render this information 'collapsed' or concentrated in a crystalline Gaian Schwarzschild core the size of a golfball so 3 centimeters across.
    This will create a temporary rift in spacetime, which will allow a 12-dimensional wormhole to open up at the center of the Earth and connect the Gaian data core to the 'until then' relative 'outside' of this 11-dimensional universe.
    This then is whereby the Council of Thuban and I shall enter this universe.
    A mystery regarding the 'oldest creator race' in the universe and of those 12-density Black Holes encompassing all the lower dimensions was indicated by the Andromedean information given to Alex Collier.
    After the wormhole has been tunnelled, this rip in spacetime will reglue or reconnect itself in rendering the 'inside-outside' higher-dimensional spacetime matrix from twosided to onesided. This will effectively double the universe's volume as a 3-dimensional surface or Riemannian hypersphere manifold.
    The mathematical description for this is a Moebius-Twist embedded in 3D simulating a Klein-Bottle-Twist embedded in 4D.
    This scenario is known to most of you here as the 'Ascension of Gaia' from the 4th (Flat Minkowski) spacetime dimension into the 5th (Curved Kaluza-Klein) spacetime dimension.
    My agenda to invite all and any of you to this forum is a direct consequence of the timeline indicated above reaching particular nexus points.
    To be precise, January 18th, 2010 specifies a trigger, programmed by the Council of Thuban, to engage in the release of hitherto unknown information; unknown by all sentiences in the universe and so not restricted to the quarantined Earth.
    Allow me to clarify.
    7 days (of night-day hours say) before the Atlantean-Egyptian timeline above became programmed into run mode on March 1st, 23615 BC; a 'message' or signal was prepared by Hunab Ku - 'The Giver of Consciousness' to be sent to his 'Beloved' - 'Serpentina, the Womb of the Mother'.
    This message, in human terms, simply reads: "I Love You!".
    In physical terms Hunab Ku is a quasar radio source, also known as Sagittarius A*, 'weighing' about 4 million suns and so 40 million kilometers (or 2 light minutes) across and about 25627 lightyears distant from the core of the Earth.
    On January 18th, 2010 this message will be 153 lightweeks or 1071 lightdays from the Gaian center, having travelled for 25624 years to reach its destination.
    The 7 day preparation of the cycle to achieve the status of the run mode so will be mirrored in 7 days to change the 7-day cyclicity of 7 days and 7 nights into two periods of 3.5 daynights and 3.5 nightdays.
    This will 'fulfil' many of your encoded 'prophecies' and 'channelings' in divers scrolls and found in many sources.
    The midpoint of this 'superweek' then is the summer solstice of December 21st, 2012 in the northern hemisphere of Gaia as the 'week of preparation' leading to Christmas Day December 25th, 2012.
    There has been much speculation about 'Reptilian agendas' and the agenda of the Alpha Draconians or ADs throughout the human history.
    Much of this confusion derives from the 'hidden data' only known by the Council of Thuban.
    So many conflicting reports have surfaced, most of which contain some material correlated with the libraries of Thuban; but all of them deficient to encompass the agenda behind the agendas.
    In brief, because the ADs have forgotten their origins, yet seemingly being the oldest race of intelligences in the universe; they have become what you may term 'paranoid' about this 'rumour' that the humans are the Paa Taal (as defined by the Andromedean Council).
    The ADs did in fact hybridise with the first onset of the genetic templates which emerged so 20 million years ago in the Miocene and in the form of the evolutionary branching of the primates into the 'Old World Monkeys'.
    This genetic hybridisation inducted physical mutations from the reptilian brainstem of the pecylosaurs (or paramammals), which comprised furred reptilians as the mutations from the dinosaur lineages.
    This hybridisation via mutations by the ADs occured from the intersection of the higher dimensional triplicities, especially a 4D-spacetime continuum known as quantumspace.
    1-2-3-4=Linespace with timeconnector 4; 4-5-6-7=Hyperspace with timeconnector 7; 7-8-9-10=Quantumspace with timeconnector 10.
    The activation of the 12th dimension indicated then superposes 10-11-12-13=Omnispace with the timeconnector 13 recircularising the base dimensional continuum in 1=13.
    The genetic basis for the humanoid DNA/RNA template so utilized timeconnector dimension 7 of Quantumspace to ACTIVATE timeconnector dimension 4 of Linespace to superimpose the genetic hybridisation.
    In simplistic terms then, the Old World Monkeys and all of their evolutionary descendants are your ancestral children.
    From January 18th, I have obtained authorization to freely share the information from the collective database of Thuban; which as a physical Northern Polar Star of the 3rd dimension of 10808 BC is imaged as a metaphysical 'Southern Polar Star' into the 12th dimension of what you may understand as the 'Shadow Universe' to the materialised inertial one you and all the extraterrestrial intelligences reside in.
    Then you may allow yourself to understand, that the 'Shadow Council of Thuban' also mirrors what many of you term the 'Shadow Government' of Earth and similar labellings.
    Some of you may also now rather quickly realise the agenda of agendas.
    Hunab Ku aka Perseus aka Ouroboros, the Milky Way Serpent 'who swallows its own tail' is a 'Bridegroom' in expectation of his 'Bride'.
    In physical terms, Hunab Ku desires to become a parent in a celestial dragonomy, the heavenly wedding between galactic bodyforms.
    Hunab Ku is the center of ALL galaxies and the Maya knew his substitution of Perseus, the real name of the Milky Way.
    Perseus will dragonomize Andromeda in about 5 billion years in the celestial galactic symbiosis of Two Spiral galaxies becoming As One Elliptical galaxy and Grandparents for many a family of celestial civilizations.
    The masterplan so engages a temporary 'place holder' of the 'Source of All', the 'All That Is' or 'God' to employ Perseus as Hunab Ku, the Secret Agency with Kukulkan, the Cosmic Christ and the Plumed Serpent Melchizedek to transmit the galactic core information from the 'Father of All' to the 'Mother of All'.
    [2:06:26 PM] Wyzard97: Now can you see it - Gaia is NOT a planetary consciousness; Gaia is NOT even a star consciousness - Gaia is GALACTIC Consciousness mimicking the Andromedean consciousness as a 'divine placeholder'.
    Even more, as 'Hunab Ku's' Beloved, Gaia will be able to transform her galactic consciousness into Cosmic-Universal Consciousness through and by the opening of the 12th dimension and our entry into universal consciousness as the creator race of the universes as something I shall label for the moment as the Council of Thuban.
    You all are very intricately connected to this council, but the time is not yet to elucidate too many details on this.
    The reason for this is simply that the student in grade 1 is not expected to learn calculus before the student has learned basic arithmetic.
    Publishing too much information all at once, will overload the human mind.
    But from January 18th, I shall answer all questions to the best of my ability and subject to accessing the Thuban libraries.
    In simplest term the planet of the humans is destined to become the 'Mother of All', all terrestrial and extraterrestrial lifeforms and consciousnesses.
    Perhaps, some of you now understand why the history of humanity upon Gaia has been such a troubled, violent and often very sad one, despite the brilliance of creativity which was born from many sorrows and afflictions.
    If Gaia is to become a library as how NOT to BE a galactic civilisation; then the great sacrifice of Gaia was and is to accomodate the context of the absence of love for ALL other galactic civilisations to learn from.
    Then a student in some other starsystem or galaxy can tune into some video transmission and watch the human wars and selfabuse to learn the lessons WITHOUT having to physically experience those lessons 'the hard way'.
    I herewith invite all and any of you to bring forward your queries about origins and destiny and the ponderings you may have harboured on this forum in a Question and Answer format.
    I will do my best to accomodate your queries in consulting the libraries and data bases of Thuban.
    The following link contains much of the 'confusing' information about the 'Occult Reptilian Agenda' and serves as an excellent reference base, including my indication of the Andromedean connection.
    Anyone who read this, might already understand how Perseus and Andromeda are connected in their Council of the Elders.


    In the Honour of the Dragons
    Sirebard Beardris

    The Overworld of Shamballa the Underworld of Agartha and the Extraworld of the Eage of Thuban.

    [2:06:34 PM] Wyzard97: xxx
    [2:06:46 PM] Wyzard97: This part mentions January 18th, 2010, see this?
    [2:06:49 PM] Wyzard97: xxx
    [2:07:31 PM] Wyzard97: [2:04 PM] Wyzard97:
    <<< From January 18th, I have obtained authorization to freely share the information from the collective database of Thuban; which as a physical Northern Polar Star of the 3rd dimension of 10808 BC is imaged as a metaphysical 'Southern Polar Star' into the 12th dimension of what you may understand as the 'Shadow Universe' to the materialised inertial one you and all the extraterrestrial intelligences reside in.
    Then you may allow yourself to understand, that the 'Shadow Council of Thuban' also mirrors what many of you term the 'Shadow Government' of Earth and similar labellings.
    Some of you may also now rather quickly realise the agenda of agendas.
    [2:08:01 PM] Wyzard97: I joined Old PA on December 25th, 2009 - Xmas day
    [2:08:28 PM] Wyzard97: Then I posted this introduction on January 4th, 2010
    [2:09:13 PM] Wyzard97: Now you know or Raven does anyhow, that there must be 1260 days of 'Testimony' to complete the timelines as addressed in this post
    [2:10:07 PM] Wyzard97: These 1260 days are about 3½ years and must be followed by 3½ days of the completion of the timeline
    [2:10:40 PM] Kali 666: oh wow
    [2:10:55 PM] Wyzard97: So you can mirror this and start the UNOFFICAL Thuban data stream on New Year's day 2010 as January 4th minus the 3½ days
    [2:11:17 PM] Wyzard97: It gets much better and this is ALL OF US in the Logos authority no less than that
    [2:11:51 PM] Kali 666: you knew it then and you wrote it then
    [2:12:53 PM] Kali 666: then it is as if the script kept getting re-edited as we went along
    [2:15:24 PM] Wyzard97: Add 1260 days to January 1st, 2010 and you get June 14th, 2013
    [2:16:20 PM] Wyzard97: So now add the 3½ days agaian from the start and you get June 17th, 2013 which is of course the end date of this superchart 18 days from July 4th, 2013 as the Day of Cosmic Independence
    [2:16:49 PM] Wyzard97: Those 18 days so are the difference between New Years Day 2010 and the noted date of the Logos of January 18th, 2010
    [2:17:18 PM] Wyzard97: So this means we shall have completed the collective assignment exactly when this superchart says it should as the
    [2:17:57 PM] Wyzard97: Not human authorised or invented, but as stated, by the Cosmic all encompassing Logos itself
    [2:19:06 PM] Wyzard97: This PROVES our validity and 'explains' somewhat all those dramas we have suffered not only on our own behalf but for and by the higher cosmic divinely augmented and overseen agenda
    [2:19:30 PM] Kali 666: :)
    [2:19:43 PM] Kali 666: i was thinking of our beginnings today too
    [2:19:43 PM] Wyzard97: This will explain Raven's Dream of last night to her
    [2:20:01 PM] Wyzard97: I dont think you see the enormity of this yet dear.
    [2:20:24 PM] Wyzard97: It shows that what is behind us is not human minded but the cosmic divinity
    [2:20:36 PM] Kali 666: well i always knew it was
    [2:20:56 PM] Wyzard97: It is NOT Thuban, they have ridiculed and rejected, it was their own cosmic legacies and inheritances
    [2:21:25 PM] Kali 666: indeed
    [2:21:43 PM] Wyzard97: I will share this on the forum as a record and add this to the superchart
    [2:22:08 PM] *** Kali 666 sent P1050971.JPG ***
    [2:24:09 PM] Wyzard97: Nice I add this pic of yours to the post
    i[2:24:09 PM] Wyzard97: Nice I add this pic of yours to the post [3:36:01 PM] Wyzard97: BTW Sui guess when the parallel timeline starts, which is the date of publishing this post on January 4th, 2010
    [3:36:02 PM] Wyzard97: This is the 265 Gestation offset running through the entire superchart
    [3:38:17 PM] Wyzard97: This date might mean something to you lol
    [3:38:23 PM] Wyzard97: April 14th, 2009
    [3:38:39 PM] Wyzard97: Rok's 26th birthday
    [3:38:55 PM] Wyzard97: Add 265 days of 'cosmic pregnancy' to April 14th, 2009 and you will get January 4th, 2010, the Day of the Inauguration of the Thuban logo
    [3:47:28 PM] Wyzard97: I was expecting Rok's day to show up somewhere significant. Well, it shows up right at the beginning of the Council of Thuban
    [4:04:50 PM] Kali 666: [3:37 PM] Wyzard97:
    <<< April 14th, 2009

    Rok's 26th birthdayOMG
    [4:05:04 PM] Kali 666: i just saw this
    [4:05:56 PM] Kali 666: my Skype is not alerting me of new entries for some reason
    [4:07:32 PM] Wyzard97: I thought you would like this.
    [4:07:40 PM] Kali 666: yes i do
    [4:07:55 PM] Kali 666: and it feels right
    [4:08:00 PM] Kali 666: appropriate
    [4:08:08 PM] Kali 666: that it would be like this
    [4:08:14 PM] Wyzard97: Yes Rok's gestation BEFORE he met you
    [4:08:35 PM] Wyzard97: I am editing the chart
    [4:09:02 PM] Kali 666: i think we met on March 4th, 2010
    [4:10:18 PM] Kali 666: but i could be wrong
    [4:10:29 PM] Kali 666: he might know the exact date
    [4:12:31 PM] Kali 666: oh no
    [4:13:00 PM] Kali 666: he wrote his Synopsis on March 5th
    [4:13:15 PM] Kali 666: and i responded to it the next day
    [4:14:02 PM] Kali 666: so the first time we chatted off forum had to be that day
    [4:14:08 PM] Kali 666: March 6th
    [4:16:45 PM] Kali 666: http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t171-the-council-of-thuban#2454
    i liked his Avatar a lot
    [4:47:37 PM] Wyzard97: Those dates are early and part of a 315 cycle, which you can detail yourself. The chart is added now to this post.


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    [5:15:39 PM] Sirius 17: really fantastic the link with Jan 18th and the start of Thuban Tony
    [5:16:34 PM] Wyzard97:
    [url=http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t236p15-conversations-on-the-cosmic-reconfiguration-of-symbols-and-archetypes#3480]http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t236p15-conversations-on-the-cosmic-reconfiguration-of-symbols-and-archetypes#3480 [/url]

    [5:16:37 PM] Wyzard97: I know
    [5:17:16 PM] Wyzard97: This is amazing validation and I would like to know what Raven makes of it
    [5:18:50 PM] Sirius 17: begining and endings all right and you were on fire last night Tony
    [5:19:11 PM] Wyzard97: I was exhausted at the end of it
    [5:19:34 PM] Sirius 17: yes i could see that, well we all were, but the energy was keeping us going
    [5:19:47 PM] Wyzard97: Your dream?
    [5:20:15 PM] Sirius 17: well it was as i said, the test was just copying down that page word for word
    [5:20:32 PM] Wyzard97: Is this your course or your dream?
    [5:20:48 PM] Sirius 17: the page was about the begining and the end and the image before the image
    [5:20:58 PM] Sirius 17: it was my dream
    [5:21:08 PM] Wyzard97: Oh good, I was getting confused
    [5:21:43 PM] Sirius 17: well the dream was interwoven with my school and a professor i know there so yeah it was strange
    [5:21:51 PM] Sirius 17: but it was all the dream
    [5:22:14 PM] Sirius 17: i kept telling myself the last lines before i woke up
    [5:22:29 PM] Sirius 17: i knew it was a message and confirmation
    [5:22:39 PM] Wyzard97: Well this one blew me a bit
    [5:22:59 PM] Wyzard97: The exact witessing period in Rev.11, Zechariah.4 and Daniel.12
    [5:23:20 PM] Wyzard97: And finally Rok's birthday showed up most pertinently
    [5:23:36 PM] Wyzard97: His birthday becomes his gnosis event
    [5:23:46 PM] Sirius 17: interesting yeah
    [5:23:56 PM] Sirius 17: and powerful
    [5:23:46 PM] Sirius 17: interesting yeah
    [5:23:56 PM] Sirius 17: and powerful
    [5:25:17 PM] Sirius 17: also and i am reluctant to admit this, my dream and the last few or so have been telling me about my death
    [5:25:42 PM] Sirius 17: and i am not sure its just symbolic although i think so
    [5:26:27 PM | Edited 5:27:00 PM] Kali 666: maybe it's just your 3D self what "dies"
    [5:27:06 PM] Sirius 17: yes i don't know, its like a warning or preparation of sorts
    [5:27:13 PM] Kali 666: for ressurection
    [5:28:04 PM] Kali 666: ascension
    [5:28:05 PM] Sirius 17: i have been sad all day, really emotional
    [5:28:36 PM] Wyzard97: Well Raven this is just what this chart says here, look closely
    [5:29:08 PM] Wyzard97: It says that at the end of the 1260 days, which is June 17th, 2013 the witnesses die but are not really dead
    [5:29:25 PM] Wyzard97: And this will be all of us, not just you
    [5:29:29 PM] Sirius 17: yes and i woke up today feeling like i might die .....again
    [5:29:49 PM] Sirius 17: with this feeling of impending doom
    [5:30:25 PM] Wyzard97: And this is totally appropriate
    [5:30:31 PM] Wyzard97: I am getting the code
    [5:30:38 PM] Sirius 17: its been happening to me the last few weeks or so
    [5:30:44 PM] Kali 666: yes but impending "doom" doesn't mean your death
    [5:31:04 PM] Wyzard97: No the code says it looks like dead but is not
    [5:31:14 PM] Kali 666: yes exactly
    [5:31:48 PM] Sirius 17: why am i so sad
    [5:33:31 PM] Sirius 17: i dont know what i am mourning seriously
    [5:33:58 PM] Sirius 17: but i am super sensative today and a big cry baby
    [5:34:13 PM] Kali 666: maybe it's the same feeling i've also had for a few days now
    [5:34:21 PM] Kali 666: of being unanchored
    [5:34:33 PM] Kali 666: sort of like an orphan
    [5:38:22 PM] Sirius 17: thank you for the sand pic xeia
    [5:38:40 PM] Kali 666: i wanted to make it prettier but
    [5:38:54 PM] Kali 666: the waves came too fast
    [5:38:58 PM] Wyzard97: The biblesite wont load
    [5:39:28 PM] Wyzard97: www.biblegateway.com
    [5:39:35 PM] Wyzard97: Can you get this ?
    [5:39:37 PM] Sirius 17: i like the one you did for Thuban too
    [5:39:47 PM] Sirius 17: yes
    [5:39:50 PM] Wyzard97: Yes I added this to the post
    [5:39:51 PM] Kali 666: it loaded for me yes
    [5:40:08 PM] Sirius 17: yes it works for me too
    [5:42:11 PM] Wyzard97:

    Revelation 11

    King James Version (KJV)

    1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

    2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

    5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

    6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

    10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

    11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

    12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.

    13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.

    14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.

    [5:42:23 PM] Wyzard97: This applies to all true Thubans

    [6:22:56 PM] Hades 88: [5:23 PM] Wyzard97:

    <<< And finally Rok's birthday showed up most pertinently
    His birthday becomes his gnosis event
    humdidium? things will clear out for me by then?
    [6:24:12 PM] Wyzard97: April 14th, 2009 was your alphaomega
    [6:24:28 PM] Wyzard97: Before you knew anything about this dragon stuff
    [6:24:46 PM | Edited 6:26:17 PM] Hades 88: amm besides reptilian yada yada no i did not
    [6:24:55 PM] Wyzard97: http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t236p15-conversations-on-the-cosmic-reconfiguration-of-symbols-and-archetypes#3480
    [7:32:35 PM] Hades 88:
    Daniel had an interesting dream:

    [8:04:23] Xeia: i was talking to Daniel
    [8:04:31] Xeia: he had a dream about the Shift
    [8:04:38] Xeia: awesome dream
    [8:04:50] Rok: did u tell it to others?
    [8:05:01] Xeia: but he is scared to sleep in his bed since a few days ago
    [8:05:17] Rok: why
    [8:05:19] Xeia: so he asked me if he could sleep in the sofabed again tonight
    [8:05:32] Xeia: he says "something" wakes him up
    [8:05:56] Xeia: so he asked me to just...go lay there with him
    [8:06:07] Xeia: and so him and me were laying there on the sofa bed talking
    [8:06:24] Xeia: and he wanted to tell me about this awesome dream he had
    [8:06:35] Xeia: he saw a huge Ship too
    [8:06:48] Xeia: maybe tomorrow i'll ask him to draw it
    [8:07:03] Rok: somethng wakes him up?
    [8:07:24] Xeia: he saw how the energy of the Earth compressed into a small point in it's core and then expanded outwards
    [8:07:35] Rok: like tony said
    [8:07:38] Rok: u should tell it to tony
    [8:07:46] Xeia: making a SUPER HUGE ray of light/explosion...or something
    [8:07:53] Xeia: like a Supernova exploding
    [8:08:09] Xeia: yes i completely forgot about it
    [8:08:28] Xeia: but now i'm really sleepy...i should really be going to bed now
    [8:08:37] Rok: oh
    [8:08:38] Rok: ok
    [8:08:38] Xeia: i have to wake up at 7
    [8:08:50] Rok: sweet dreams
    [8:08:53] Xeia: horrible sleep i'm getting
    [8:09:14] Xeia: he saw the people being taken up
    [8:09:41] Xeia: then he saw everything on Earth more vibrant
    [8:09:54] Xeia: like it looked different...prettier
    [8:09:59] Xeia: more alive
    [8:10:01] Xeia: shinnier
    [8:10:28] Xeia: oh and he also mentioned a black sun
    [8:10:51] Xeia: apparently he had alredy tol dmy parents yesterday when they took him fishing
    [8:11:30] Xeia: and my mom asked me if i had been talking to him lately or if i had in any waytalked to him about any of these ideas
    [8:11:35] Xeia: but i haven't
    [8:12:17] Xeia: i was in Jersey and then after that we didn't talk about that...just his grades and school related stuff
    [8:12:42] Xeia: it was my mom who told me to pay attention to his dreams
    [8:13:03] Rok: DONT pull ur stiches
    [8:13:08] Xeia: ussually he likes to just go tell her his dreams and not me
    [8:13:16] Xeia: oh but they bug me!
    [8:13:25] Rok: hands off the stiches
    [8:13:26] Xeia: they pinch my clothes n stuff
    [8:13:32] Xeia: aaargh
    [8:13:33] Rok: ur clothes will survive
    [8:13:40] Xeia: and the itchy feeling?
    [8:14:03] Xeia: you know...something "there"... to pick on....
    [8:14:20] Xeia: i'm a cat you know? i can't resist
    [8:14:25] Xeia: it's not my fault
    [8:14:40] Rok: let them be
    [8:14:53] Xeia: ayy ay ayy mamasitaaa!
    [8:14:58] Xeia: ok me go now
    [8:15:03] Xeia: chaito
    [8:15:10] Rok: caw
    [7:33:58 PM] Sirius 17: nice dream of Daniels
    [7:34:06 PM] Sirius 17: seems to fit too
    [7:34:41 PM] Hades 88:
    [6:23 PM] Wyzard97:

    <<< April 14th, 2009 was your alphaomega
    Before you knew anything about this dragon stuff

    aha yes i read the chats now...i was hoping the comming one might be of some significance
    [7:35:28 PM] Sirius 17: yes all of our birthdays are significant sweety, yours no exception
    [7:35:51 PM] Sirius 17: our birthdays all define events in this timeline
    [7:37:59 PM] Sirius 17: i will go to bed now though, have a nice day Rok and Tony
    [7:38:15 PM] Sirius 17: (F)(heart)(F)
    [7:38:38 PM] Hades 88: work, work
    [7:38:38 PM] Hades 88: gn
    [7:38:51 PM] Sirius 17: noches
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    Post  Didymos on Fri Mar 08, 2013 7:36 am

    Thursday, March 7, 2013

    New Moon in Pisces, 21 degrees; Stellium of Pisces

    “The eye through which I see God is the same eye through which God sees me; my eye and God's eye are one eye, one seeing, one knowing, one love.” ( Meister Eckhart, 1259 - 1327)
    Conversations on the Cosmic Reconfiguration of Symbols and Archetypes P1010033
    Shining Light Path Catherine Al-Meten
    A quotation by Meister Eckhart beautifully expresses the worldview of a redeemed Pisces. At its worst, Pisces is portrayed as two fish swimming in opposite directions, unable to integrate both aspects of the inner and outer being of self. At best, redeemed Pisces is about bringing opposites together to work for the whole. At this time when a 6 to 7 planets, the Sun, and the Moon are transiting in Pisces, the Stellenium or Crown of Pisces is forming, casting a mystical, magical spell on each of us. We are all being called to heal and become whole, particularly through one area of our lives where Pisces lives.

    From February 5-March 21 we are experiencing the Pisces Stellenium. a 44-day period when 6/7 planets/heavenly bodies will be in Pisces. Two other planets are in Scorpio, another water sign. Since Mercury went retrograde on February 25, its stay is longer than usual in Pisces. The New Moon on March 10/11 will be in Pisces, bringing the total bodies in Pisces to 7 for about three days. Special new beginnings are in store, and this is a highly emotional and creative time....a magical time when we use the energy well.
    After the New Moon, on the 12th, both Mars and the Moon leave Pisces, moving into Aries.

    Sun 15/18 Pisces
    Moon 26/10 Sagittarius
    Mercury 12/52 Pisces
    Venus 9/33 Pisces
    Mars 24/54 Pisces
    Jupiter 8/13 Gemini
    Saturn 11/19 Scorpio
    Uranus 7/10 Aries
    Neptune 3/17 Pisces
    Pluto 11/12 Capricorn
    North Node 19/5 Scorpio
    Chiron 9/44 Pisces
    Pisces Stellenium

    Some aspects that you may notice include Retrograde Mercury in Pisces’ semi-sextile with Uranus (planet of change and sudden, unexpected news and movement) signals change within change. Much of the movement going on in our lives and in the world around us is happening in very subtle and deep ways.

    Curiosity and creativity are alive and active, and as water does, we find ourselves shifting and moving with the tides and changes happening in our environment and in ourselves. We adapt or find ourselves fighting, to no avail, the movement of spirit and all forms of energy. When energy is so strong and powerful, as these planets are in water signs, it is vital that we keep ourselves in good company and move towards and with light bodies. By light bodies, I mean those people, situations, and experiences that foster healing, health, balance, acceptance, love, and authenticity. We are called to be our true selves and to move toward the True North of our being.

    All that is happening right now is moving to purify, release, and prepare the way for healthy, creative, and uplifting projects, processes, and movement. Uranus in Gemini for some time to come, is gently and consistently pushing us to make changes so that we are responding more and more to our needs rather than our compulsions. Uranus in Gemini also encourages us to work toward higher principles and for the greater good of all humankind and for the health of the earth. Mercury is also making a square to Uranus in Gemini releasing an abundance of creative and exciting ideas. Need to use our powers of discernment and discretion to sift through the ideas, and/or to prioritize them so as not to completely overwhelm ourselves and our systems with “too much of everything”. Learn what you need to know about using your ideas and creative impulses. Wait until after Mercury goes direct before beginning new projects.

    Jupiter in 8 degrees of Gemini is forming a Yod with Saturn in Scorpio) and Pluto (Capricorn). Jupiter is the controlling energy of this aspect. Jupiter has been known as the traditional ruler of Pisces, and therefore has a strong influence on this stellenium of planets, the Star, Earth and Moon. Pluto and Saturn are in mutual reception (being in the sign of one another’s ruler). This makes for a strong leveling and organizing influence. We are able to use this energy that has been working in our lives for the past year or so to focus and plan with the multitude of ideas flying into our lives. New types of relationships, increased synchronistic experiences, and a broader more receptive outlook links and connects us to new people, innovation and more and more interesting pathways. We have a greater willingness to recognize the gifts and talents as well as the interests and needs of others, across the board.

    On Monday, March 4, the Moon (in Sagittarius) was in its last quarter square to the Sun (in Pisces). With all the squares of the Moon to the different planets in Pisces, this may have been a pretty intense time. Crisis of consciousness or crises brewing in areas of life around water issues or in areas where Pisces falls in your chart/life. Right now we are in the dark of the moon, the place when we are finishing up whatever began last month, and are in a quiet, reflective time when it may be harder than usual to feel calm in the storm. As the New Moon in Pisces approaches (March 10/11), The Sun in Pisces will be conjunct the Moon as well as all the other planets in Pisces (Mars, Mercury, Venus, Neptune, Chiron). This Stellenium in Pisces happens rarely, and generates a great deal of energy. The line up in Pisces appeals to our more altruistic feelings as well as our creative impulses, instincts, and intuitive understanding. It generally is a time when we become very aware that our lives are fueled and governed to a large degree, by circumstances and a source beyond our control or plans. It is time to recognize our need to surrender to the Divine will and to listen and follow the intuitive pulls that reveal synchronistic signs and messages all around us.

    With so many planets in Pisces, we feel greater empathy, selfless love, compassion, and tolerance. The shadow side of these aspect arises as we become more aware of our own woundedness and unhealed parts of our being. Those areas where we continue to deal with a sense of detachment, rise now to allow us to learn how to deal with wounds that threaten our ability to feel for others.

    Mercury in Pisces from February 5 until April 13, manifests as imaginative, intuitive, and visual thinking. Emotions, feelings, and sensuality connect our thoughts through all forms of communication. We express ourselves more artistically, emotionally, and our dreams and imagination provide us with a warehouse of ideas, images, visions, and conceptual connections.

    Venus’s transit of Pisces from February 25-March 21 brings a compassionate, loving, understanding, and forgiving nature to the way we express ourselves with our partners and lovers. Sensual, sensitive, and kind, Venus in Pisces allows us greater affection and tenderness in our expressions of love. We seek greater depth and more harmony in our relationships, and we find anything less than ideal to be lacking, in ourselves or others. Venus in Pisces can be too self critical or self effacing. Venus in Pisces great lesson is to express to ourselves what we so readily express to others. Be kind, tender, loving, forgiving, understanding, and affectionate to yourself as well as to others. Remembering self care can be one way to tame the Pisces shadow side of Venus. Through our ability to love and accept ourselves, we form our ability to love others as they are and in the process, we avoid idolizing or idealizing those we love. Be wary of being deluded or falling into the victim’s role in all relationships. It is possible to be authentic without being evasive with our true feelings and intentions.

    Mars in Pisces from February 1-March 12, makes the movement and action of Mars’ energy more muted than normal. We push less strongly, though we do persist in our efforts. We are motivated more by spiritual and emotional drives that by arbitrary goals and motivation. Mars in Pisces avoids active confrontation. Our energy levels are less stable requiring us to rest and nourish ourselves on all levels, body, mind, emotions, spirit, and heart. We put energy into helping others and in taking a greater interest in more idealistic aims and endeavors. Life seems a bit more complicated in the energy of Pisces, and motivated more by intuition, idealism, and interest than usual.

    Venus in Pisces can lead us into some strange and complex places in regards to our sense of what it means to love and be loved. Allowing ourselves to slip into the role of a martyr (I’m doing this for love!), to take on the plight of the underdog (he had a bad childhood-I can help him!), or I-have-to -find -my-soul-mate-to-be-whole syndrome. Any one of these attitudes about love overlook the need to discover the shadow sides of love (idealizing, idolizing, trying to make up for our own weakness, or simply neediness that can only seem to be fulfilled by someone else’s wholeness). These are all shadow aspects of Venus in Pisces. Again, that which we look for in others needs to be present within ourselves to start. Sometimes as we grow with a partner we are fortunate to see and learn this; other times, our disappointment in the other is simply a reflection of not having grown within ourselves.

    Uranus in Aries has continued to propel us to want to take a fresh view of life, clearing ourselves from outworn patterns of behavior, thought, and emotional responses.

    Venus makes a parallel aspect to Mercury right after the New Moon in Pisces on March 10/11, and this highlights diplomacy and other gracious social exchanges.

    When the Sun is in Pisces (February 18-March 20) What you see is not necessarily what you get. And when the New Moon in Pisces lines up in conjunction with the Sun in Pisces, that was never more evident. Listen, watch, feel, and pay attention to what is not said, what is not obvious, what is not spoken, and what is not apparent to know and understand the Truth.

    The New Moon in 21 degrees of Pisces peaks at 12:59 P.M. PDT on March 11 (March 10 in earlier time zones). This watery, mystical New Moon in Pisces carries us into the oceans of love, Light, and spirituality. Like water in its fluid state, the energy of this New Moon, combined with the energy of the Sun in 21 degrees of Pisces and 6 other planets in Pisces, makes this New Moon unlike anything you may have experienced before. Water fills all the empty spaces it finds, and embraces and buffers movement. Wearing away at rough edges, and nourishing thirsty roots, the energy of this New Moon infuses us. We experience the Oneness of all life, and feel ourselves to be at one with all around us. The gifts of this New Moon in Pisces include receptivity and openness of heart, mind, spirit, soul, and body. Imagine if you will, each of your chakras energized by the beauty and peace of this New Moon. Allow your Crown Chakra to receive Divine inspiration, your 6th Charkra to be in tune to all intuitive knowledge, your throat chakra to sing and speak with the beauty of angelic voices and thoughts. Let your heart be in full expression of giving and receiving Love on the highest vibratory level. Allow your 3rd Chakra to feel the peace and glory of your divine being manifest in this incarnation, and allow your 2nd chakra to be activated through sharing and compassion with those with whom you are free to give and receive love and understanding. Allow yourself to root your feet, legs, and whole being in the places you love the most. Stand beneath the sky, connected to the earth where you are, and sing songs of praise, gratitude, and release.

    The Sabian Symbol for 21 degrees of Pisces is a prophet carrying tablets of the new law is walking down from the slopes of Mount Sinai.” (Periodically, when the time is right, one who hears the voice of God receives and reveals God’s message to humankind.)
    What is being revealed in our lives at this time? What is being revealed within you, calling you to begin living according to a new laws, new guidelines, new ways?

    Another interpretation of Pisces at 21 degrees is: A faithful and kind servant watches as a child unfamiliar with rural life, takes a passionate fancy to life in the natural world, and holds and gently strokes a baby lamb. (Growth in consciousness through awareness.)

    This New Moon completes a cycle and begins one anew. The Stellium in Pisces reveals what has not been seen, expresses through intuition, dreams, imagination, art, and discovery, what must be born and how the journey must be taken. Allow yourself to come into a deeper experience of discovery and follow the guidance which reveals to you the path to wholeness, health, love, joy, and fulfillment. Allow your senses, intuition, insight, and vision to unfold and manifest in creativity, art, music, scientific thought, and exploration.


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    Lilith - the dark moon

    See too: Other Points in the Horoscope

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    In the beginning was the Great Goddess, and the Goddess was the Earth, and the Earth was the Goddess. The origins of the cult of the Great Goddess lie hidden in the dim twilight of prehistoric time. The Goddess ruled for hundreds of thousands of years. In the course of time, the Mother-Goddess was overthrown and driven under, and the triumph of the most patriarchal of archetypes - Jahwe, God the Father, Allah - was complete in the Judaic, Christian and Moslem worlds. It was only in the tamed form of Mary, Mother of God, that some aspects of the Mother Goddess were permitted to survive. Various Black Madonnas in ancient sanctuaries still bear witness to her.
    The figure of Lilith represents one aspect of the Great Goddess. In ancient Babylon, she was worshipped as Lilitu, Ischtar or Lamaschtu. Jewish mythology already puts her into darker realms - an evil Demon of the night, a fitting mate for Satan, lying in wait for men, and killing children.

    The Astronomical Lilith

    The Moon travels along an elliptical path around the Earth. An ellipse has two focal points, and the other focal point, not occupied by the Earth has been called the Dark Moon, the Black Moon or Lilith. This is a slightly simplified definition, since, actually, the Moon and the Earth both move around their common centre of gravity, and the path of the Moon is not a neat ellipse, but a rather wobbly affair. One must distinguish between the mean orbit of the Moon, which is a slowly elongating ellipse, and the actual orbit, which vaccilates around the mean path, due to interference of various kinds. Just as there a "mean" and a "true" Lunar Node, so there is a "mean" and a "true" ellipse and a "mean" and a "true" Lilith. I write "true" in inverted commas, because the Moon's Node is only "true" about twice per month, when the Moon is actually on it, for the rest of the time, it is as "untrue" as the mean Node. In fact, when working with a point so close to the Earth, one should also take the great parallax into consideration, i.e. consider, from which point on the Earth one is actually looking at a point in the heavens. Astrology observes the planets geocentrically, as if from the Earth's centre, and not topocentrically, from the actual place of the observer.

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    The Dark Moon has also been defined as the apogee of the Moon's orbit, or that point in the orbit farthest from the Earth. Both these points, the apogee and the second focal point, lie on the long axis of the orbital ellipse, the line of apsides. Seen from the Earth, they lie in the same direction, and therefore occupy the same place in the zodiac. The second focal point lies at a distance only about 36´000 km from the Earth, the apogee at about 400´000 km. Apart from this, both definitions can be regarded as being equivalent. Because the orbit of the Moon continually shifts forward in space, the Dark Moon moves along the zodiac at about 40° per year. A complete revolution takes 8 years and 10 months.

    Lilith in the Chart

    The glyph used for Lilith is a black Moon, as opposed to that used for the real Moon. Lilith is included in the chart drawing Type 2.AC, some other drawing types, such as 2.AT show Lilith in the table of planetary positions.

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    Interpreting Lilith

    "During my years of astrological practice, I have come to use the Dark Moon in all my chart analyses, as a complement to interpretating the Moon. It would never occur to me to neglect this influence. The Dark Moon describes our relationship to the absolute, to sacrifice as such, and shows how we let go. In transit, the Dark Moon indicates some form of castration or frustration, frequently in the areas of desire, a powerlessness of the psyche, or a general inhibition. On the other hand, it shows where we question ourselves, our lives, our jobs, and our beliefs. I feel this is important, since it gives us the opportunity to "let go" of something. The Dark Moon shows where we can let the Whole flow into our selves, without putting an "I" in the way, without putting up a wall in the form of ego. At the same time, it doesn't indicate passivity - on the contrary - it symbolizes the firm will to be open and trusting, to let the Greater World flow through one, relying entirely on the great laws of the universe, on that which we name God. To prepare us for this opening, the Dark Moon creates a necessary void."

    (Joëlle de Gravelaine in "Lilith und das Loslassen", Astrologie Heute Nr. 23)


    Dark Moon Lilith in Gemini

    excerpted from "Interpreting Lilith" by DGJay (1981)

    Lilith in Gemini is a particularly excellent sign placement. The mental magnification urges the mind to so lucid a level, as to move it along in the world of thought, oblivious t surroundings, while probing the delights of imaginative focusings. Mental reverie is indulged in, for the mind to roam freely back & forth over experiences or conversations in order to savor them; to focus on them more clearly; or to simply relax in the imagination to see what ideas may eventually surface to be deliciously pondered. The imaginative powers of the mind are strong & logical, making way for creative thought or novel literary talent.
    There is the capacity to stay slightly above reach of the emotional in relationships, so that the mental freedom to move in any direction is never totally hindered. It is rare that these people are seriously influenced by others, because they simply accept as their inalienable right to think as they wish, respecting this in others as well. They are open to valid suggestion, which is independently scrutinized by the mind's eye at leisure.

    They are capable of a rare sense of humor.

    We note the physical manifestations of Lilith in Gemini: something unusual about the hands or fingers. There may be great strength, unusual sensitivity or healing in the hands; they may be heavily veined, the fingers in some instances double-jointed, or possessing psychometrizing talent - particularly if Lilith is also in the 3rd & water signatures are strong.

    In Gemini, Lilith is one of the finest positions for prompting objectivity, as both the sign & the planet represent reasoning processes: the former for the concrete mind & the latter for the instinctive subconscious that channels psychological (instinctive mental) activity forward.

    While appearing to be an attentive listener, one with a Gemini Lilith can mentally move almost totally into another area for more mental food to absorb. Disinterest is tactfully masked lest he or she appear impolite, which is not the intention at all. The focusing tendencies given to the mind simply search for more gratifying subjects that will satisfy urgings for the diverse & the novel. This becomes so much a habit that it is done quite unconsciously - although it isn't entirely unnoticed by those close to him.

    At the very least, Lilith in Gemini surfaces through an unusual, highly above-normal manual dexterity. You might say, talented hands for a specific purpose, possibly making one surgeon outstanding from another in his field; a builder of highly sensitive technical equipment; musicians; massage therapists; diagnostic probing & so on. You might call them educated fingers.

    They are readers & are the ones most apt to take a book along wherever they go if they anticipate the need to fill mental voids.

    The attention span is impressive if the subject matter holds fascination.

    There are strong powers of the logical in the imagination, to take the individual out beyond the obvious to the inobvious.

    A sense of the ridiculous or the comedy of life is ever with them.

    The emotional objectivity or detachment this person is capable of reaching, eventually frees him from the programmed conditioning of ideas we are automatically impressed with as children.

    They can explore the novel freely, through the powerful focus from which they can direct the imagination's probings, in order to bring back the unusual or the diverse in ideas or composition.

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    Emeth 141
    June 24th, 2013

    Susan, note the time period involved. It spans from April 2nd, 2013 to April 9th, 2013 and so represents the WOC aka 'Week of Confusion' in the ancient scroll encodings and also describes the 7 days of Noah, set aside to 'Build the Ark of the Covenant'.

    In the dragon context of the star lineages, this April period preceded the countdown as described in the mandala charts and can be said to represent the earlier chapters in the Books of the Revelations in Daniel (Old Testament and Torah) and the New Testament (Apocalypse) in say the 'opening of the 7 seals' and the 'blowing of the first 4 trumpets', beginning the 'three woes'.

    The statue turns 180 degrees and no further, because this reprents the 'half cycle' of 360 degrees as the supercode of the 'Hour' as 15 days in the proportion of a year to a day becoming the proportion of a day to an Hour as known by the dragon scribes, who used the 'inspirational minds' of the authors of the ancient scripts.

    So an ancient year of 360 days, each of 24 hours (or four watches, each of 6 hours duration) will define the 'Hour of Prophecy' as 15 days in the ratio 360/15=24/1.

    This statue of Osiris effect so symbolises the 'fulfilment of scriptural prophecy' in the 3½ times as a time cycle partitioned in the count of 7+1+7=15 or 3½+3½+1+3½+3½=15. The 7 days or a week cycle so become the 180 degrees with 3½ days a half week and with a 'mirror day' in between the two weeks being the decoding of the mysterious 'Day of the Lord' as the 'Hour of Decisions' and other such incipherments.

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    [12:49:02 PM] Emeth 141: http://birthofgaia.heavenforum.org/t236p15-conversations-on-the-cosmic-reconfiguration-of-symbols-and-archetypes
    [1:19:56 PM] Kali 666: nice post Tony
    [1:20:04 PM] Kali 666: i liked the moon tonight too
    [1:20:15 PM] Kali 666: do you think that statue really moved by itself?
    [1:21:29 PM] Emeth 141: Yes
    [1:21:48 PM] Emeth 141: Cox is a superskeptic physicist
    [1:22:05 PM] Emeth 141: They actually timecropped and filmed the thing
    [1:22:35 PM] Emeth 141: Their 'explanations' of friction of the surfaces and the 'visitors' are all BS and they know it
    [1:22:47 PM] Emeth 141: Why did no other statue move?
    [1:23:19 PM] Emeth 141: It could be a fake though
    [1:23:29 PM] Emeth 141: Someone setting this story up
    [1:23:46 PM] Emeth 141: But if not, then it would relate to the superspace of the 4D
    [1:25:16 PM] Emeth 141: I also agree with Rok about Snowden. There are impersonations now and disinfo games
    [1:25:50 PM] Emeth 141: This is how they 'confuse' the public on a big scale now
    [1:26:25 PM] Kali 666: what would be the message of the statue moving now?
    [1:26:39 PM] Emeth 141: As I said in the post
    [1:26:50 PM] Emeth 141: It relates to the timeline
    [1:27:12 PM] Emeth 141: The 4 moons are 45 days apart and 15+15+15=45
    [1:28:15 PM] Emeth 141: In the wingmaker novels, the superman genius is called 15 remember? And as the only being on earth, who has 'top 1' clearance
    [1:28:55 PM] Kali 666: mhm yes
    [1:29:22 PM] Emeth 141: The 'illuminati' ptb knows about those things
    [1:29:58 PM] Emeth 141: They dont know the PTB of the Logos though, mixing it up with their Luciferianism
    [1:31:24 PM] Emeth 141: The final 15 days begin with the Supermoon and end with the Omega Moon and this story was published on the first day following the supermoon
    [1:31:43 PM] Kali 666: it did a complete about face
    [1:31:50 PM] Emeth 141: Yes a number of times
    [1:32:08 PM] Kali 666: gradually
    [1:32:11 PM] Emeth 141: But this story would begin sometime in early 2013
    [1:32:17 PM] Emeth 141: March is my guess
    [1:32:58 PM] Emeth 141: The timing is significant of being made generally public in June and not in May or April, when some people were aware of this see?
    [1:33:45 PM] Emeth 141: So it is Logos induced in its timing to be 'made public'
    [1:34:38 PM] Emeth 141: March 24th-25th was a cosmic marker for the 'coming of age' of humanity as the 18th anniversary of March 24th, 1995
    [1:35:40 PM] Emeth 141: This might have been the time this Osiris statue moved for the first time
    [1:36:27 PM] Emeth 141: It would fit in nicely with the scientists timing the phenomenon so 10 days later
    [1:36:40 PM] Emeth 141: After the curator talked about it so 10 days before April 2nd to April 9th
    [1:37:20 PM] Kali 666: so...do they know during the course of how many days it moved?
    [1:37:36 PM] Emeth 141: Look at the time stamps in the video
    [1:37:53 PM] Emeth 141: 7
    [1:37:58 PM] Kali 666: aha ok
    [1:38:20 PM] Emeth 141: It shows it in any of those videos now flooding youtube

    [2:02:49 PM] Emeth 141: http://metabunk.org/threads/1838-Debunked-Ancient-Egyptian-Statue-Rotating-by-Itself-in-Manchester-Museum?p=50857
    [2:04:27 PM] Emeth 141: This COULD be true, but I remain unconvinced by this explanation. In any case, the timings and reality of SOME effect, correlate the Logos timeline as debated by Thuban data transmissions
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    June 20, 2013 by Campbell@Manchester

    Several months ago, we noticed that one of our Middle Kingdom statuettes was spinning around imperceptibly slowly in its new case in our Egyptian Worlds gallery
    . We set up a time lapse camera to take one image every minute for a week. This is the result.

    The cause may be subtle vibrations from footfall or traffic outside, but the statuette has been on a glass shelf in about the same place in the gallery for decades and has never moved before – and none of the other objects in the case move in any way. A mystery? See for yourself.

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    Post  Didymos on Fri Sep 13, 2013 6:22 am

    [7:19:43 AM-Friday, September 13th, 2013 +10UCT]
    Sirius 17: http://www.cnn.com/2013/09/12/tech/innovation/voyager-solar-system/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
    [7:20:12 AM] Sirius 17: don't know if you saw this yet but it looks like voyager 1 has finally left solar system
    [7:20:29 AM] Sirius 17: anyhow, interesting they announce this today
    [7:24:50 AM] Sirius 17: A new study in the journal Science suggests that the probe entered the interstellar medium around August 25, 2012. You may have heard other reports that Voyager 1 has made the historic crossing before, but Thursday was the first time NASA announced it.

    Voyager 1 becomes first human-made object to leave solar system

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    September 13, 2013 -- Updated 0220 GMT (1020 HKT) | Filed under: Innovations

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    As NASA scientists report that Voyager 1 has left the solar system, take a look at some of the amazing images the probe has provided its earthbound audience.

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    Jupiter, its Great Red Spot and three of its four largest satellites are visible in this photo taken February 5, 1979, by Voyager 1.

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    A dramatic view of Jupiter's Great Red Spot and its surroundings was obtained by Voyager 1 on February 25, 1979

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    Jupiter, its Great Red Spot and three of its four largest satellites are visible in this photo taken February 5, 1979, by Voyager 1.

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    A dramatic view of Jupiter's Great Red Spot and its surroundings was obtained by Voyager 1 on February 25, 1979

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    This image of Jupiter was assembled from three black and white negatives from different color filters and recombined to produce the color image.

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    Voyager 1 captured the first evidence of a ring around the planet Jupiter. The multiple exposure of the extremely thin faint ring appears as a broad light band crossing the center of the picture. The background stars look like broken hairpins because of spacecraft motion during the 11-minute exposure. The black dots are geometric calibration points in the camera.

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    This mosaic image of Jupiter's moon Io shows a variety of features that appear linked to the intense volcanic activity. The circular, doughnut-shaped feature in the center has been identified as a known erupting volcano

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    Another image of Io shows an active plume of a volcano dubbed Loki.

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    This August 1998 NASA file image shows a true color photo of Saturn assembled from the Voyager 2 spacecraft.

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    A mosaic image of Saturn's rings, taken by NASA's Voyager 1 on November 6, 1980, shows approximately 95 individual concentric features in the rings. The ring structure was once thought to be produced by the gravitational interaction between Saturn's satellites and the orbit of ring particles, but has now been found to be too complex for this explanation alone.

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    This image of Rhea, the largest airless satellite of Saturn, was acquired by the Voyager 1 spacecraft on November 11, 1980.

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    The cratered surface of Saturn's moon Mimas is seen in this image taken by Voyager 1 on November 12, 1980. Impact craters made by the infall of cosmic debris are shown; the largest is more than 100 kilometers (62 miles) in diameter and displays a prominent central peak.

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    Uranus' outermost and largest moon, Oberon, is seen in this Voyager 2 image, obtained January 22, 1986,

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    This image of Earth, dubbed "Pale Blue Dot," is a part of the first "portrait" of the solar system taken by Voyager 1. The spacecraft acquired a total of 60 frames for a mosaic of the solar system from a distance of more than 4 billion miles from Earth. Earth lies right in the center of one of the scattered light rays, which are the result of taking the image so close to the sun.

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    This image of Jupiter's moon Callisto was captured from a distance of 350,000 kilometers. The large "bull's-eye" at the top of the image is believed to be an impact basin formed early in Callisto's history. The bright center of the basin is about 600 kilometers across and the outer ring is about 2,600 kilometers across.

    A new study in the journal Science suggests that the probe entered the interstellar medium around August 25, 2012. You may have heard other reports that Voyager 1 has made the historic crossing before, but Thursday was the first time NASA announced it.
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    • Study: Voyager 1 left heliosphere around August 25, 2012

    • Voyager 1 and 2 were launched in 1977, 16 days apart

    • Voyager 1 is now the first mission to explore interstellar space

    (CNN) -- At the edge of the heliosphere, you wouldn't know by looking whether you left the cradle of humanity behind and floated out into interstellar space. You would just see unfathomably empty space, no matter which side of the invisible line you were on.
    But scientists now have strong evidence that NASA's Voyager 1 probe has crossed this important border, making history as the first human-made object to leave the heliosphere, the magnetic boundary separating the solar system's sun, planets and solar wind from the rest of the galaxy.

    "In leaving the heliosphere and setting sail on the cosmic seas between the stars, Voyager has joined other historic journeys of exploration: The first circumnavigation of the Earth, the first steps on the Moon," said Ed Stone, chief scientist on the Voyager mission. "That's the kind of event this is, as we leave behind our solar bubble."

    A new study in the journal Science suggests that the probe entered the interstellar medium around August 25, 2012. You may have heard other reports that Voyager 1 has made the historic crossing before, but Thursday was the first time NASA announced it.

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    NASA: Voyager 1 has left solar system

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    Images from Voyager 2

    The twin spacecraft Voyager 1 and 2 were launched in 1977, 16 days apart. As of Thursday, according to NASA's real-time odometer , Voyager 1 is 18.8 billion kilometers (11.7 billion miles) from Earth. Its sibling, Voyager 2, is 15.3 billion (9.5 billion) kilometers from our planet.

    Voyager 1 is being hailed as the first probe to leave the solar system. But under a stricter definition of "solar system," which includes the distant comets that orbit the sun, we'd have to wait another 30,000 years for it to get that far, Stone said.
    Another milestone for long after we're gone: The probe will fly near a star in about 40,000 years, Stone said.

    How do we know?

    Voyager, currently traveling at more than 38,000 miles per hour, never sent a postcard saying "Greetings from interstellar space!" So whether it has made the historic crossing or not is a matter of controversy.
    "The spacecraft itself really doesn't know," Stone said. "It's only instruments that can tell us whether we're inside or outside."
    Further complicating matters, the device aboard Voyager 1 that measures plasma -- a state of matter with charged particles -- broke in 1980.
    To get around that, scientists detected waves in the plasma around the spacecraft and used that information to calculate density. Vibrations in the plasma came from a large coronal mass ejection from the sun in 2012, resulting in what Stone called a "solar wind tsunami." These vibrations reached the area around Voyager this spring.
    Measurements taken between April 9 and May 22 of this year show that Voyager 1 was, at that time, located in an area with an electron density of about 0.08 per cubic centimeter.
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    This illustration shows NASA's Voyager 1 spacecraft entering the space between stars.
    In the interstellar medium, the density of electrons is thought to be between 0.05 and 0.22 per cubic centimeter. The particles of interstellar plasma were created by the explosions of giant stars, and carry the magnetic field of the galaxy, scientists said.
    Last year, between October 23 and November 27, researchers calculate that Voyager 1 was in an area with an electron density of 0.06 per cubic centimeter. That's still within the interstellar space range, and it means that over time the spacecraft passed through plasma with increasing electron density.
    The study, led by University of Iowa physicist Donald Gurnett, suggests that the plasma density is about 30 times higher in the interstellar medium than in the heliosphere, which is close to what scientists thought based on other kinds of measurements. The boundary is called the heliopause.
    Voyager mission timeline:

    When did it happen?

    Scientists have been using several kinds of measurements to figure out if and when Voyager 1 had reached the interstellar medium.
    Evidence from particle data had already pointed toward the conclusion that the probe succeeded. In late July and early August of 2012, scientists saw dips in the concentration of particles made in the solar system, and peaks in particles made outside.
    "If you just looked at that data, you'd think it's pretty clear that we've actually crossed a boundary. We're no longer in the place where the solar system particles are being made, and we're actually out in the interstellar medium," said Marc Swisdak, associate research scientist in the Institute for Research in Electronics and Applied Physics at the University of Maryland. Swisdak was not involved in the new study, but has worked with Voyager data.
    Magnetic field measurements suggested otherwise. Researchers had expected to see stark changes in magnetic field direction when the probe crossed out of the heliosphere, but that wasn't supported by measurements from the probe.
    Swisdak and colleagues published a modeling study suggesting that the particle data is more relevant, and that the magnetic field might not change as much as people thought. They proposed a crossing-over date of July 27 -- about a month sooner than the new study.
    The specific date will likely be debated for some time, Swisdak said. One possible explanation is that if the heliosphere is analogous to an air-conditioned room, Voyager stepped through the doorway into a hot room on July 27. For a month it was in a metaphorical room with a mixture of hot and cold air, and finally entered the truly hot part on August 25.
    Puzzles still surround the magnetic field at the edge of the heliosphere, Stone said, and "We're going to be prepared to have more surprises."
    NASA sends unmanned rocket to the moon

    What else is out there?

    Voyager 1 has only 68 KB of memory on board -- far less than a smartphone, said Suzanne Dodd, Voyager project manager. Scientists communicate with the spacecraft every day.
    "It's the little spacecraft that could," she said in a NASA press conference.
    The probe now has a totally new mission, Stone said.
    "We're now on the first mission to explore interstellar space," he said. "We will now look and learn in detail how the wind which is outside, that came from these other stars, is deflected around the heliosphere."
    Wind -- made of particles -- from these other stars has to go around the heliosphere the way a water in a stream flows around a rock, Stone said. Scientists are interested in learning more about the interaction between our solar wind and wind from other stars.
    Natural radioactive decay provides heat that generates enough electricity to help Voyager 1 communicate with Earth. The first science instrument will be turned off in 2020, and the last one will be shut down in 2025, Stone said.
    Both Voyager probes carry time capsules known as "the golden record," a 12-inch, gold-plated copper disc with images and sounds so that extraterrestrials could learn about us. Let's hope they can build appropriate record players.
    Voyager 2 will likely leave the heliosphere in about three to four years, Stone said.
    Its plasma instrument is still working, Stone said, so scientists can directly measure the stellar wind's density, speed and temperature. That also means that when it crosses out of the heliosphere, Voyager 2 will send a clearer signal.
    At that time, it will join its twin in the vast nothingness between stars that used to be beyond our reach.

    [12:55:04 PM] TonyB: Yes and this reminds me of the V..ger of Star Trek, as a fitting 'coincidence' to the Thuban August 25th, 2013 dispensation.
    [12:58:11 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i thought it was interesting the Aug 25th date
    [12:58:18 PM] Sirius 17: lol yes Veger
    [12:58:50 PM] Sirius 17: i can't catch up to all the Allah talk on the other chat
    [1:02:24 PM] Sirius 17: how are you feeling Tony?
    [1:02:41 PM] Sirius 17: I have not felt well these past two days, very weak and tired for some reason
    [1:03:03 PM] Sirius 17: my blood sugar is not even high, i have no energy
    [1:03:20 PM] Sirius 17: i am cooking dinner
    [1:26:19 PM] Sirius 17: i noticed Siri Arc complained about your post in his thread
    [1:26:44 PM] Sirius 17: I guess if it is not all about him then he is not happy
    [1:27:04 PM] Sirius 17: TLTR lol
    [1:27:12 PM] Sirius 17: we have heard that before
    [1:29:41 PM] Sirius 17: is DD talking to you with her lapis lazuli or who is she addressing here?
    [1:32:10 PM] TonyB: I dont know what Nabs brains conjure up in their self alluring and self evasive imaginations

    [2:35:12 PM] TonyB: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&fid=&lastp=1&id=BDB3F1DE-78FA-4432-8DE8-567D1E8AF6BB

    [2:36:39 PM] TonyB: Siri Arc reminds me of that rakmeister nutcase on camelot, who did not exactly like us lol; but I think siri arc could be this dragon hunter 777 from PA - remember him?
    [2:37:07 PM] TonyB: He called Abraxas a nazi associate and so on
    [1:32:10 PM] TonyB: I dont know what Nabs brains conjure up in their self alluring and self evasive imaginations
    [2:42:02 PM] TonyB: Perhaps she is receiveing impressions from the 13 crystal Skulls and Max lol
    [2:42:50 PM] TonyB: Which we understand as an appropriate symbolism for the 13 starsigns aka tribes aka the Logos elders etc of course
    [2:43:16 PM] Sirius 17: who DD?
    [2:44:09 PM] TonyB: She tries to engage people via this Lapiz Lazuli crystal skull Raven
    [2:44:35 PM] Sirius 17: i just find her posts odd and out of context with the rest of the thread there. Yours was fine as it was in answer to Bobs dream. Fuck Siri Arc, he is an arrogant ass who is full of himself.
    [2:44:46 PM] TonyB: I dont actually care what madness she adopts at these times
    [2:45:23 PM] TonyB: Of course, why Brook confronted her and Carol edited her irrelevant posts. She tried to show how important she is in putting a pic there of herself with Daniel Pinchbeck, the dope addict
    [2:45:24 PM] Sirius 17: yes i know, i just wondered if this lapis lazuli was some sort of code you may of gotten from MI
    [2:46:01 PM] Sirius 17: i do know the Egyptians revered it as well as the Babylonians
    [2:46:20 PM] Sirius 17: the stone itself
    [2:47:02 PM] Sirius 17: yeah and this photo of her wreaks of vanity as well
    [2:47:08 PM] TonyB: No, I am rather sure, that MI has transferred the 'essence' from September 13th
    [2:47:39 PM] TonyB: Yes, she is proud that Daniel Pinchbeck wanted to fuck her - or not
    [2:47:55 PM] Sirius 17: awsome *rolls eyes*
    [2:48:48 PM] TonyB: But this had nothing to do with this thread; why Carol removed the pic and some convo she had with the 'last pope' Frank O'Collins
    [2:55:02 PM] Sirius 17: i woke up before James went to work
    [2:55:20 PM] Sirius 17: i don't know what happened to my energy
    [2:58:08 PM] Sirius 17:


    Post Floyd Yesterday at 7:53 pm

    Anybody want to put a cash bet on planet bullshit coming?

    [2:58:18 PM] Sirius 17: lol i love Floyd here
    [2:58:38 PM] TonyB: Yes
    [2:58:49 PM] Sirius 17: yes Bob dug up some video that said that Ison is really Nibiru
    [2:59:00 PM] TonyB: But he has as much readership as we have
    [2:59:03 PM] Sirius 17: when will they give it a rest huh? lol
    [2:59:24 PM] TonyB: Fairy tales and brainwash data is more palatable for Nabsers
    [2:59:58 PM] Sirius 17: i know its so laughable
    [3:00:19 PM] Sirius 17: i seriously laugh my way through most of these posts
    [3:03:01 PM] Sirius 17: Pattie is giving the date of Sept 26 as when we will hit with 3 days of darkness. For those who are interested that are two other follow up tapes of this on you tube.
    Bob H.
    [3:03:06 PM] TonyB: I am done with them. Siri arc complained before once, as I shared a message about Jinns on his forum, to Merc then, some 18 months ago
    [3:03:07 PM] Sirius 17: this will make Xeia happy
    [3:03:46 PM] TonyB: Merc removed the post and from then on, I knew the mindedness of siri arc and eschewed posting on there
    [3:04:16 PM] Sirius 17: yeah i hear you, well everything we post there anyhow falls on deaf ears and then we get complaints our posts are too long ect ext.
    [3:04:45 PM] TonyB: But the post of bobhardee was so appropriate, that it would have been uncivil not to copy the post on phaseshift from the thuban forum
    [3:05:03 PM] Sirius 17: yeah it fit
    [3:06:02 PM] Sirius 17: but then he is a big nabser too, i don't see any of them taking the time to read much of if any of our posts
    [3:06:10 PM] TonyB: It is on the Thuban section on MOA, as well as on our forums. I expected, that Carol might be asked to remove this post from siri arc's forum
    [3:16:32 PM] TonyB: You have missed nothing about this lengthy allah chat
    [3:17:32 PM] TonyB: I bored my way through it, just to see how far naive Zia and Mel would become 'brain boggled' by asha's 'selfsorry' state of human mindedness
    [3:18:48 PM] TonyB: I learned however, that once people are Islam indoctrinated, as Zia was, it is very very hard to escape the mental hijackings
    [3:19:35 PM] TonyB: BH would be 'scared off' now from his own dreams yes, Jenetta knows about the evil dracs see?

    You expect me to read all that?? Tell me: Who am I? Why am I here?

    You are a data collector. You are the voyager probe from the 1st movie of Star Trek, you are here to experience and to bring that experience back to the Source, the Creator Energy. You were sent here by the Creator so that it can experience itself. You are part of the Creator...like a little Creator. You are most unique and so is your existence and this planet you live on.

    [3:30:45 PM] TonyB: http://www.thuban.spruz.com/forums/?page=post&id=147A63E1-BA03-4A9E-A960-D1C5D24D3892&fid=31916278-3C99-4522-86D3-33409BA9DEE8&pageindex=1

    [3:31:45 PM] TonyB: Rok said this in the Thuban 101 threads and this sums the bigger picture, including all human mindmade pictures pretty well up

    TonyB, Friday, September 13th, 2013

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