SuiGeneris on Thu Jan 14, 2016 6:14 am
Yes, good observation, i was not asked. But i did it anyway.
Spregovori wrote:You are free to share your thoughts and experiences with people in any place. The only thing here is that, you were not asked to do it. It was of your own volition and as a forum member you have this "right" and ability to do so.
Spregovori wrote:Speculation by itself implies an error. Be it in judgement or the methods or both.
noun: speculation; plural noun: speculations 1. the forming of a theory or conjecture without firm evidence.It might seem like an error for you if i form an idea in my mind without 'firm evidence'. However, you could consider that not all people need such a thing. There are other ways to go about thinking that are outside of the norm that still constitutes a valid form of thinking for the person doing it, in spite of it appearing foreign to others.
I am aware that the word speculation already carries a negative connotation but in spite of that, speculation is necessary now more than ever in inner Self talk, because
1. 'Firm evidence' can be fabricated. And,
2. because without it, by holding back and waiting for the world or others to bring you answers, you could spend your whole life without them...and that will simply not do for some of us curious ones. Not daring to formulate ideas, possibilities, in mind will create inaction and stagnation. Why so many find themselves stuck.
As a 'dreamer', I do not need evidence to dream, because the unreal simply does not exist for me. I laugh at 'firm evidence'.
No. It is not that simple.
Spregovori wrote:People will be informed and will make their own minds?
I know nobody asked me to inform them.
Spregovori wrote:People (had) already made their own minds even before this thread here. They did not ask you to inform them, this goes for the lurkers too. What you write might give confirmation to what they think - parts they agree with, the rest will be ignored.
And about this issue, i will remind you of what i said about Thuban:
And maybe it didn't cross your mind yet but, it could be that i had this impulse, that i felt this inner calling to do this because someone somewhere, maybe not even now, but in the future, will need to know and will seek my words and will take into consideration what i have to say, and maybe that will turn out to be important even if it is for a single lineage.
SuiGeneris wrote:It is not completely dead yet, and it will still be alive so long there is a single person believing in it; and this is exactly the reason why I feel what I’m doing has to be done. Since this Thuban amm…”program” was ‘downloaded’ into the Matrix, incepted into the mind of someone alive at this time on Earth, that alone has made a record of it in the Akash and as a result of this it is now able to be ‘downloaded’ by others also. It is available to download and install into your own personal vessel in order to run its program to a T. IF the soul allows it. Now, the truth about “Thuban”, as a cult, as a group, as an idea, as a sect as whatever anyone wants to take it as, was nowhere to be found. It only existed in the memory of a few of us who had actually gone through the developing of that “experiment” from day one. When I first realized this I knew I had to do it somehow.
Spregovori wrote:Despondency is, curiously, fairly common these days and i would not say thuban itself is a cause for that.
adjective: despondent: In low spirits from loss of hope or courage.
It is. Despondency is a big part of the Draco agenda because you need to believe you are lost by yourself and that is why you need an outside saviour. It plays on your emotions constantly telling you how the old world and the old world humans are lost and there is just no hope for them. So therefore you need to hope for Jesus and the ET's with their starcruises. Tony himself has said countless times that personally he has lost all hope and only has hope for the Logos now. he sits there and 'hopes', without taking care of his own personal issues and that is the template of conduct he passes on to others. This is the extent by which Thuban itself is a cause for that.
Just because you cannot see it does not mean it is not there. Thuban 'datastream' is not intended to help any human exit the matrix. It is intended to maximize hybridization potentials to benefit a race who sees humans as nothing but monkeys.
Spregovori wrote:I would say people with an already preexisting condition seek out what might give them something new, something different, some glimmer of hope or just simply something to play around with in their minds. How thuban might affect their condition can not be generalized.
As the Dragon Sirebard Beardris said on his first transmission:
"In simplistic terms then, the Old World Monkeys and all of their evolutionary descendants are your ancestral children."
It lies about your true origins and creates a further mental divide using terms like 'old world' and 'new world', 'old human' and 'new human'. The data overload pushing on this mental divide brings more strain to the already polarized brain under cosmic pressure and leads to mental illnesses like schizophrenia, hallucinations and bipolar disorders that at least four people who are current members have suffered and been treated for. Four in a group of 8 to 10 people is a high percentage. The rest being labeled things like "scatterbrained" is not uncommon either. This 'scattering of the brain' is the goal actually. Because the further the mind is scattered the harder it is for it to regain its crucial orientation.
The 'losing their minds' of the end times is something many feel already…the uneasiness, the mental pressure, etc, and thuban has taken advantage of this energetic impulse for their own 'agenda of agendas'.
So I do not think that i have generalized. I will be specific with an example. Tony saying to a 20 something who has had his heart shattered by a girl he loved more than life itself, that he has no more need for 'human love' because of all the bad experiences he himself had, and so, he better direct all his lust and primal instinct into a 'cosmic desire' switching genders in order to bridge-in the physical world with the metaphysical, hinting that it is ok to forsake human women, and instead focus on having sex with his own JCCJ, etc, etc. Regardless of what percentage of validity may be found within that posture; the point is always stressed in renouncing human love and relationships in favor of 'cosmic' ones. When this metaphysical masturbation is done from the personality or due to the soul's longing for a partner, it opens portals that should not be opened. It is not only physically draining but also emotionally and psychologically destructive as it leaves the person wide open for intrusion and abuse by forces unseen, be them people who have already died or other races in the astral. have you seen those people who think they have been invaded by the holy ghost? have you seen those people who are being exorcised? have you read the experiences Raven explained she felt that led her to the mental breakdown? Do you find any similarities? Now imagine what happens when these ideas are being 'shared' directly and privately with someone who has an already 'preexisting condition' as you said or predisposition to depression or any other emotional handicap, or is simply too inexperienced or worse even, too young to know any better. Where is the personal responsibility of those who say know more than the rest, to protect those who are more vulnerable? Like teenagers for example. Do you think thuban would be beneficial for them? And ultimately, who is really benefiting from this very real energetic exchange? Do ponder.
Spregovori wrote:Without the sex part thuban would have a chance to not just be a group but a movement. Just a thought, not relevant to the topic. I will go along with your stance and will not touch upon the details.
Actually it is very relevant to the topic and it is not just a thought but part of the actual goal for the thuban Draco program irrupting into here (3d). It was supposed to become a movement after the initial push it had, and the reason it didn't was not because of the misuse of sex (although that played a big part), but because the facilitator was not able to apply the theory into actions.
Spregovori wrote:Well yes his reactions, in regard to women, were that of a human male.
Spregovori wrote:If it is related to demiurge (Enlil), which is to be the false god, the pretender god, the christian bible god, the jewish god...one hidden branch (of the two)....same father, different mother... If you say thuban is in its service...then how is it off topic?
I mean, if anyone is unsure about the meaning of a word they can google it so it is not necessary to make a huge list of definitions on this tread about terminology, even though i have a feeling looking back at your long copy paste that you might have been actually tempted to make one.
Yes of course. And if i forget any detail please remind me.
Spregovori wrote:Might be the right timet for me to say that...and you can correct me if i am wrong...that:
- you in general agree with the thuban databank since it is not the thuban databank as you say, it is merely borrowed existing data put under a thuban label
There is no such thing as a 'thuban databank'. If anything, the databank is the human databank. The thuban Draco program encompassed science, religion, politics, economy, sex, etc etc so it is broad because the human databank is broad. I do not agree with thuban directives or tony's cosmology.
Spregovori wrote:- there is an agenda behind if, for which you say is not what it is claimed. you say the agenda is actually a reptilian one (be it a memeplex or a real one)
Yes, and memeplexes are real.
Spregovori wrote:- what you dislike most about thuban is how this databank is being used/applied
This question is difficult. there is so much i dislike about it i am not sure if this is what i dislike the most, and dislike is not the correct word. It is more like an opposite stance.
Spregovori wrote:- the sexuality itself is also not a problem for you, the problem is (again) the usage of it
Use, misuse and abuse and mixing of terms and adding and taking all in order to fit into an external 'cosmic agenda' for a race who despises humans. Sex is sacred and this program attempts to use it against us.
Spregovori wrote:- what you also dislike is how you personally were treated, which is also what caused you to slam the door and you also never liked how others (those on the inside and outside) were treated, you dislike the management
I dislike the initial intention to deceive. The management stands out by its own actions more than by its countless words.
Spregovori wrote:- what you wish to keep people away from is them being misused to fuel the archetypes thuban stands for, you wish to strip thuban of its meta power and you hope posting here (or like this) can help achieve that
You can look at it like this: humans needed to be given a chance to fight on equal terms on the battlefield in regards to thuban directives. It is not fair there is so much data overload regarding thuban twists and there is no information regarding its actual everyday operations on the other side of the curtain. Like in The Wizard of Oz, i opened the curtain so that everyone could consider what they could not consider before.